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general essentially said I go ahead and

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most interesting cases elsewhere anyway

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movie launched today I'm looking at my

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email and let's see because I I did

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look at and I can answer any questions

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it to download it so yeah it is out

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and Ryan Sprague and David Navarro the

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rock guy you know the rocker he was

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there he was instagramming about it last

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night it looked like he got to actually

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talk with Bob Lazar who was there I

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didn't even realize Bob Lazar was going

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to be there so yeah pretty interesting

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stuff now I am curious if it's okay to

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talk about that right now

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and about what this blog post is kind of

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the gist of the blog post and also if

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you don't mind I kind of would like to

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bring mark on in mark he's listening I

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can see him his camera there waiting on

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the ISS that or it looks like he's in a

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submarine or something

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but I sent a link in the chat if you

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could look at that because there is a

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UFO video that's kind of making the

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rounds right now and oh and the chat

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next yeah our Skype chat oh I don't know

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if I can get to that right now what the

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way things are hopefully mark can

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because I think mark could with it yeah

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no I'll talk about it mark so let me

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introduce mark repeat guests Mark

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Dantonio

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we're going to pull them up in the

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screen a little blurry but that's all

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right I want to hear about this blog

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post on lazar or did you read it yet did

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I read my own blog post

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oh you posted it yeah it's on my website

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on podcast UFO it's from a gentleman

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Chris who's been writing guest blogs

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from tazmania and basically do you hate

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it I write I read through it late last

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night I can't remember the gist of it

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though is that he thinks is you know

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definitely a lot to the bob lazar story

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and I actually have gotten a few emails

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today of people saying you know what do

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you have against Bob Lazar I don't have

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anything against Bob Lazar I just

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questioned certain things like his

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education his claimed education and when

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someone claims one thing and it turns

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out to be wrong then I kind of question

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it's kind of like the appraiser and me

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the antiques appraiser I question

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everything in one part of something's

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wrong so that's that's basically it you

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know I mean mm-hmm

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no that makes sense and

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people will ask and there's has been

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these comments what does Stanton have

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against Bob Lazar or some you know

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people are looking at it wrong you don't

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have to this is about you know getting

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to the truth into the facts and just

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because someone seems nice like there

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are some researchers well I met this

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person that's why I can say they're

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telling the truth well just because

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you've met them and even just because

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you like them doesn't mean that what

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they're saying is completely accurate so

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it's incumbent upon people like us who

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are out there trying to share

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information too heavily scrutinized you

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know what people are saying and

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especially someone like Stanton when

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they hear you know information that they

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follow up on like the education or the

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science then they have to say hey this

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science is wrong I know this to be wrong

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even if they're like I'm sorry but you

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know you still got to convince me that

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this science is correct

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so you know I think those are it's all

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way it's fair that we be critical of

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people I always go back to Sagan you

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know extraordinary claims require

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extraordinary evidence and so we need to

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seek that actually it wasn't Sagan that

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coined that phrase but but I get what

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isn't it no no someone before Haley yeah

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he stole it from someone else and took

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all the credit

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oh my god he'll joy go ahead and google

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that if you don't believe me listen I

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believe or I get that email hey I want

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to introduce mark the Antonio POTUS I

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started to and I forgot why I changed

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here's my fault I distracted you and

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it's okay right you to listen he needs

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almost no introduction at all he's an

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astronomer and he does a great show he's

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also on kgr a radio and does a thing a

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sky watch thing I joined the other night

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actually not a sky watch it was actually

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talking about the moon we can talk about

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that Mark Dantonio welcome back hey

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thank you so much for having me hi

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alejandro how you doing buddy hey but if

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we had a good time when I was out there

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I was doing a talk for the Phoenix MUFON

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and then I had to teach a week later in

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the desert for the boot camp for the

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mutual UFO network and Alejandro said

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hey come spend a few days with us so I

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did and it was

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wonderful time and I got to play with

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those little UFOs that were hovering and

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I got to tell you I I had a lot of fun

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with that you know a lot of fun yeah

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thing mark and I were like kids playing

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with all of our toys we did a bunch of

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astrophotography which was a lot of fun

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and we made a video about you know

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misidentifying

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you know certain things like bugs as

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UFOs or or birds and then mark played a

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little bit of didgeridoo so if you want

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to see him doing some did you redo you

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can go to the open minds YouTube and see

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that but it was really fun I felt like a

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little kid like you know when you're you

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were little and you got to go home your

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mom comes and picked you up and you're

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the good ago it was kind of sad seeing

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mark leave we had a lot of fun I felt

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actually because you know Alejandro's

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basically lives in a giant toy box no

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and if you look at your place okay my

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place notwithstanding okay yeah Marcus

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you're forgetting I've been there so I

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can vouch for that

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you know yeah now and would you do the

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FX models for also do you want to talk

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why don't you just say quickly to the

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listener who's not urgent before with

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those what that's all about

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yeah I mean it if FX models you know

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letter F letter X models is a visual

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effects company that I started back in

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1995 believe it or not and I started it

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as a way to start making these very

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elaborate very detailed models for

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movies and commercials and so forth well

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it turned out that I worked on awful lot

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for the Navy and I spent a lot of time

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working for the Navy many years actually

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doing these projects and the the benefit

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of FX models was that I learned a whole

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host of new techniques especially when I

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was working alone a lot of the time I

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had to be smart about it had to learn

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how to work alone and that was much

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better for me because I ended up you

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know creating and getting machinery to

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help me do all this that led to getting

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into astronomy more because I got my

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degree in astronomy as you know and I've

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been an astronomer for science centers

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and so forth and

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so what I did was I ended up putting an

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observatory on the front lawn so it

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looks like a big white minion out there

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okay but a round heads like it's like

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Stewart you know but we're tonight is a

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special streaming night you know for Sky

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to livestream it's called that's on

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YouTube and it's a companion stream to

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sky to a radio which as you mentioned is

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the kgr a radio radio show that we do

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Sunday nights at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and

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so skites were live stream tonight is

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special because we're actually doing

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something a little different we're

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actually using the observatory

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completely remotely because this

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Observatory is being prepared to get

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shipped to Arizona and talk about that

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yeah and it's still something that we're

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planning on doing and so to that end I

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have to really make this thing robust

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and standalone so that no matter what I

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can operate it and run anything that

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goes wrong through the internet so

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that's what I'm doing today

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and tonight's stream is going to be the

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first time we debut this new process and

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procedure so tune in if you want to see

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things either go horribly wrong and

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laugh your butts off or watch things go

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wonderfully right yeah now how can they

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find it mark

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it's a sky tour livestream that sky -

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all one word livestream all one word and

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it's on YouTube and it's probably

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showing there now like if someone wanted

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to save it so and is that kind of is

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that a regular that's a regular show

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that you do right well it's it's a clear

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it's a clear night stream I see that I

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do and you know Amanda Curran who is my

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co-host on Sky to her radio was also my

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co-host on scratch her livestream so

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it's all things sky to her everything's

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sky to her for us so we actually do just

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she creates Skype to her news she has

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sky to her stories and a whole bunch of

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other things that she does that are

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really cool in the sky tour arena and

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then I do the live stream and I'm part

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of a bigger picture which is called

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Astro imaging live.com that's the

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website and there we have Bill New York

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Sky Watcher who's actually one of K

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Jerry's producer

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and we have P and K Paul and Keith P in

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k-space imaging those guys look at the

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moon and the planets bill new york sky

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watch it set all meteors and big meteor

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showers and then i'm the one that looks

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at the deep sky object so we go to

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particular objects in the sky we look at

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comets we look at asteroids we look at

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deep space nebula all these things and

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we take people on a tour and i don't

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just show them I mean I I'm an

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astronomer so I tell people about them

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and I give them a little idea of what

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they're looking at now when Alejandro

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and I went out basically that's evolved

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into playing with lasers on the mountain

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in the distance and we were just drawing

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our names in the mountain with lasers

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and stuff that was really cool Karen did

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a perfect star it was me Wow leave it I

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laughed because I didn't think she'd

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possibly do it and she turns around and

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she does a perfect star the first time I

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was like wow okay you're gonna have to

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share that picture it's a good one hey

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we have about four minutes to the break

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coming up so Alejandra what is it

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exactly did you want to ask mark yeah

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sorry I'll leave it to break and I just

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wanted to take one of the new stories

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out there is a a UFO at the Outer Banks

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so yeah I figured you did and you can

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correct me if I'm wrong it is a

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spectacular looking video because you

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see two or three lights out over the

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ocean so that are very bright and but to

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me I believe them to be flares some

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people disagree and and Mark can speak

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more to this people say well flares you

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can see smoke you can see them

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descending they flicker and none of

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those things are necessarily true I see

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flares often they can be very bright

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these new military flares they're

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falling at such a slow speed that they

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don't look like they're falling at all

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and I've got video on there I'm showing

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this yeah you're right yeah so they they

537
00:22:28,350 --> 00:22:24,640
are flares can and you don't see the

538
00:22:30,660 --> 00:22:28,360
smoke on these flares either so uh

539
00:22:31,380 --> 00:22:30,670
that's what do you think mark what do

540
00:22:34,860 --> 00:22:31,390
you think they are

541
00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:34,870
I actually photograph exactly this type

542
00:22:39,150 --> 00:22:36,490
of thing when I was in Arizona because

543
00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:39,160
when I was out in the desert I had my

544
00:22:43,980 --> 00:22:41,730
own private Phoenix lights basically

545
00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:43,990
Luke Air Force Base was doing maneuvers

546
00:22:46,019 --> 00:22:45,550
and they were dropping parachute flares

547
00:22:49,139 --> 00:22:46,029
and when they

548
00:22:51,389 --> 00:22:49,149
did and those flares had to be 70 miles

549
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:51,399
away from me at least and when you look

550
00:22:54,180 --> 00:22:52,690
at these two bright lights you know

551
00:22:54,810 --> 00:22:54,190
these these two bright lights are on the

552
00:22:56,700 --> 00:22:54,820
horizon

553
00:22:59,129 --> 00:22:56,710
they looked eerie they look unearthly

554
00:23:00,749 --> 00:22:59,139
but the thing is they're not unearthly

555
00:23:02,879 --> 00:23:00,759
and when you zoom in on the camp with a

556
00:23:04,979 --> 00:23:02,889
camera and get up close you can see the

557
00:23:06,749 --> 00:23:04,989
smoke the smoke is not visible to your

558
00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:06,759
eye because it's such a low surface

559
00:23:11,159 --> 00:23:09,129
brightness to the smoke but it's there

560
00:23:14,430 --> 00:23:11,169
and then of course these flares are

561
00:23:16,169 --> 00:23:14,440
descending actually at a rather at a

562
00:23:17,310 --> 00:23:16,179
parachute type rate they're really

563
00:23:19,469 --> 00:23:17,320
nothing and I think you're absolutely

564
00:23:21,649 --> 00:23:19,479
correct I'm with you on this I think

565
00:23:23,969 --> 00:23:21,659
these are actually parachute flares

566
00:23:26,070 --> 00:23:23,979
sorry guys I know some people are gonna

567
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:26,080
get upset but well they can be upset

568
00:23:30,180 --> 00:23:28,450
with me then because you know yeah I

569
00:23:32,969 --> 00:23:30,190
agree you know that these are probably

570
00:23:34,049 --> 00:23:32,979
well I'd have to say 99.9% that I

571
00:23:36,479 --> 00:23:34,059
believe these are parachute flares

572
00:23:37,829 --> 00:23:36,489
because they never change orientation

573
00:23:40,049 --> 00:23:37,839
relative to each other they're

574
00:23:42,799 --> 00:23:40,059
descending at a rate that's concurrent

575
00:23:45,329 --> 00:23:42,809
and well that's actually you know

576
00:23:47,279 --> 00:23:45,339
coincidentally the thought like the same

577
00:23:48,450 --> 00:23:47,289
for parachute flare drop so I I don't

578
00:23:50,909 --> 00:23:48,460
see any reason why these aren't

579
00:23:51,629 --> 00:23:50,919
parachute flares and the guy is the

580
00:23:53,700 --> 00:23:51,639
important thing

581
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:53,710
well the camp not picking it up as well

582
00:23:57,329 --> 00:23:55,330
but it's an unearthly shade of orange

583
00:23:59,700 --> 00:23:57,339
that these things look and I'm sure it

584
00:24:02,549 --> 00:23:59,710
was startling we have just like a minute

585
00:24:04,379 --> 00:24:02,559
or so to break so I just want to say the

586
00:24:06,749 --> 00:24:04,389
Phoenix lights you know a lot of the or

587
00:24:07,950 --> 00:24:06,759
I think maybe perhaps all the videos

588
00:24:10,950 --> 00:24:07,960
that you see we have one minute left

589
00:24:14,729 --> 00:24:10,960
hold break that you see is is flares

590
00:24:16,950 --> 00:24:14,739
there may be one that is not possibly

591
00:24:19,049 --> 00:24:16,960
there's only one I'm aware of that might

592
00:24:20,549 --> 00:24:19,059
not be flares but a rest yes you're

593
00:24:22,409 --> 00:24:20,559
right are are the flares because they

594
00:24:25,739 --> 00:24:22,419
ten o'clock there was there were flares

595
00:24:26,430 --> 00:24:25,749
now I'm not sure those because a from

596
00:24:28,769 --> 00:24:26,440
eight o'clock

597
00:24:31,109 --> 00:24:28,779
earlier in the day there were sightings

598
00:24:34,219 --> 00:24:31,119
out around the Phoenix area and all the

599
00:24:36,659 --> 00:24:34,229
way up to like Kingman and and needles

600
00:24:38,339 --> 00:24:36,669
just over the border in California I

601
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:38,349
don't think those were flares but

602
00:24:43,019 --> 00:24:40,690
certainly the 10:00 p.m. were flares

603
00:24:45,029 --> 00:24:43,029
over Goldwater and I think Marc will

604
00:24:47,549 --> 00:24:45,039
concur without a page and that really

605
00:24:49,139 --> 00:24:47,559
that really kind of that was if they

606
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:49,149
were going to cover up they did a really

607
00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:52,089
good job because yeah it's not apparent

608
00:24:55,469 --> 00:24:54,129
whether they were trying to do that we

609
00:24:56,969 --> 00:24:55,479
don't have any evidence they were

610
00:24:58,889 --> 00:24:56,979
definitely trended but you're exactly

611
00:24:59,850 --> 00:24:58,899
right if they were doing that it was a

612
00:25:02,610 --> 00:24:59,860
genius way

613
00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:02,620
to distract people absolutely okay it's

614
00:25:06,030 --> 00:25:03,490
time to go to break

615
00:25:09,030 --> 00:25:06,040
so all right thank you so much Alejandro

616
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:09,040
I appreciate it have a great job thank

617
00:25:12,630 --> 00:25:11,170
you and all right everyone we'll be back

618
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:12,640
with the mark the Antonio in just a

619
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:16,090
second and I'm live on kgr a radio

620
00:25:21,870 --> 00:25:18,970
YouTube and podcast UFO this is Martin

621
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:21,880
Willis stay tuned we'll be right back

622
00:25:27,740 --> 00:25:26,770
after these messages after these

623
00:25:31,380 --> 00:25:27,750
messages

624
00:25:35,010 --> 00:25:31,390
well that's be right back mm-hmm

625
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:35,020
oh yeah you're clear all right what do

626
00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:36,490
you have like four minutes four and a

627
00:25:43,169 --> 00:25:38,530
half minutes okay sounds good

628
00:25:45,870 --> 00:25:43,179
all right so are you still on yeah I can

629
00:25:46,650 --> 00:25:45,880
stay okay yeah okay for the break here

630
00:25:48,539 --> 00:25:46,660
yeah why not

631
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:48,549
okay we're doing Mike this is on YouTube

632
00:25:53,520 --> 00:25:51,010
still write the break that's right yeah

633
00:25:55,830 --> 00:25:53,530
this and usually in the break we take

634
00:25:57,390 --> 00:25:55,840
either questions well we talk about

635
00:26:00,090 --> 00:25:57,400
something that we weren't talking about

636
00:26:02,250 --> 00:26:00,100
so so it doesn't you know mess up when

637
00:26:03,990 --> 00:26:02,260
we get back on kgr a radio well I don't

638
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:04,000
know if you were gonna ask mark this but

639
00:26:08,549 --> 00:26:06,010
I want to hear what mark thinks of lazar

640
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:08,559
and for both of you I would like to have

641
00:26:12,210 --> 00:26:10,570
this discussion again after you see

642
00:26:14,220 --> 00:26:12,220
Jeremy's film because there is some new

643
00:26:16,470 --> 00:26:14,230
stuff here and Lazar speaks for himself

644
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:16,480
and some of the things that I think all

645
00:26:22,230 --> 00:26:18,400
three of us are critical of but what do

646
00:26:25,260 --> 00:26:22,240
you think mark uh actually I listen to

647
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:25,270
George Noory interview Bob Lazar the

648
00:26:29,700 --> 00:26:27,010
other night it was an older and older

649
00:26:31,289 --> 00:26:29,710
show probably but it was Jeremy Korbel

650
00:26:34,169 --> 00:26:31,299
was there with Bob Lazar and they were

651
00:26:36,120 --> 00:26:34,179
always new actually yeah I say older

652
00:26:38,100 --> 00:26:36,130
show I mean it was like last week or two

653
00:26:41,070 --> 00:26:38,110
weeks ago you know or whatever was so

654
00:26:42,930 --> 00:26:41,080
but yeah and listening to that I I

655
00:26:44,669 --> 00:26:42,940
started listening to the show kind of

656
00:26:47,100 --> 00:26:44,679
with that skeptical approach thinking

657
00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:47,110
you know I've heard all the things about

658
00:26:52,950 --> 00:26:49,590
him and all these things but then

659
00:26:55,620 --> 00:26:52,960
listening to him respond I actually got

660
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:55,630
the impression that you know he might

661
00:26:59,880 --> 00:26:57,250
actually there might be something to him

662
00:27:02,220 --> 00:26:59,890
in more than I think he believes what

663
00:27:04,919 --> 00:27:02,230
he's saying I well that's my voice but I

664
00:27:05,430 --> 00:27:04,929
could say that he believes what he's

665
00:27:09,930 --> 00:27:05,440
telling you

666
00:27:12,690 --> 00:27:09,940
you know and so but then again I always

667
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:12,700
believe what I'm telling you to so it

668
00:27:15,899 --> 00:27:13,690
does I could

669
00:27:17,399 --> 00:27:15,909
a blatant liar I guess as well or

670
00:27:17,730 --> 00:27:17,409
something I don't know if that's what he

671
00:27:20,669 --> 00:27:17,740
is

672
00:27:21,899 --> 00:27:20,679
or you can telling the truth or yes or

673
00:27:24,690 --> 00:27:21,909
you keep telling the truth and the fact

674
00:27:28,740 --> 00:27:24,700
is we don't have the information to to

675
00:27:31,590 --> 00:27:28,750
judge him negatively or positively we

676
00:27:33,509 --> 00:27:31,600
have to take it for what it is and let

677
00:27:35,190 --> 00:27:33,519
that ride because unless somebody comes

678
00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:35,200
forward and says here's a government

679
00:27:39,149 --> 00:27:37,330
stamp document that claims you know that

680
00:27:41,220 --> 00:27:39,159
or shows that Bob Lazar is exactly who

681
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:41,230
he says he was you know then what can

682
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:42,940
you say I believe that he had a

683
00:27:47,190 --> 00:27:45,129
clearance because he said certain things

684
00:27:48,990 --> 00:27:47,200
during that during his interview got one

685
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:49,000
minute okay thank you

686
00:27:53,639 --> 00:27:51,129
he had he said certain things during his

687
00:27:55,259 --> 00:27:53,649
interview that led me to believe that he

688
00:27:58,379 --> 00:27:55,269
would definitely have had a clearance to

689
00:28:01,320 --> 00:27:58,389
say what he said hmm I know that I had

690
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:01,330
one for it for since 1995 all right

691
00:28:06,360 --> 00:28:03,250
nowhere near as high as he supposedly

692
00:28:08,549 --> 00:28:06,370
had you know so there's there's more to

693
00:28:10,080 --> 00:28:08,559
him than meets the eye in my view mmm

694
00:28:11,999 --> 00:28:10,090
okay we have less than a minute left

695
00:28:13,950 --> 00:28:12,009
just to let you know yeah I was just

696
00:28:15,690 --> 00:28:13,960
gonna say him I kind of like Travis

697
00:28:18,450 --> 00:28:15,700
Walton that there are people that you

698
00:28:20,460 --> 00:28:18,460
know I take seriously in a way they seem

699
00:28:21,810 --> 00:28:20,470
to believe what they're saying it's just

700
00:28:25,409 --> 00:28:21,820
uncomfortable because what they're

701
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:25,419
saying is so strange you know it's it's

702
00:28:31,619 --> 00:28:28,210
so uncomfortable but very compelling

703
00:28:33,930 --> 00:28:31,629
yeah I think Lazar is more compelling

704
00:28:36,119 --> 00:28:33,940
after hearing this then then before I

705
00:28:39,269 --> 00:28:36,129
heard it so I'm looking forward to the

706
00:28:42,029 --> 00:28:39,279
movie no and you know I watched the

707
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:42,039
skinwalker ranch one and I wasn't that

708
00:28:47,310 --> 00:28:45,250
excited about it yeah I agree with you

709
00:28:50,789 --> 00:28:47,320
yeah those are movie sounds like it's

710
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:50,799
probably a better one yeah all right I

711
00:28:58,230 --> 00:28:54,190
think as far as I know I think we're are

712
00:29:00,110 --> 00:28:58,240
we ready to go back Eric we got about 30

713
00:29:02,730 --> 00:29:00,120
seconds till okay so stroll all right

714
00:29:04,379 --> 00:29:02,740
all right so Alejandro I guess I'll out

715
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:04,389
we'll say goodnight for real this time

716
00:29:09,690 --> 00:29:07,090
since I say all right everyone when

717
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:09,700
you're on but yeah so thanks and we'll

718
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:10,480
talk to you next week

719
00:29:14,820 --> 00:29:12,850
all right take you guys later have a fun

720
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:14,830
show thank you see you later alejandro

721
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:21,279
adios adios great talking to you just a

722
00:29:26,130 --> 00:29:24,250
second let me get this here we go is

723
00:29:29,370 --> 00:29:26,140
ready yeah

724
00:29:42,330 --> 00:29:29,380
alright we got a little bit about ten

725
00:29:48,020 --> 00:29:42,340
seconds all right are you guys ready

726
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:48,030
yeah ready yeah five four three two one

727
00:29:54,330 --> 00:29:50,530
all right welcome back to the show I'm

728
00:29:56,250 --> 00:29:54,340
here with Mark Dantonio and we are gonna

729
00:30:00,900 --> 00:29:56,260
be talking all about all kinds of great

730
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:00,910
stuff space stuff and Mark so where do

731
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:03,010
you want to start I have a bunch of

732
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:04,210
different topics I want to talk to you

733
00:30:06,900 --> 00:30:05,650
about you want to start out with space

734
00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:06,910
junk or you want to start off with the

735
00:30:14,820 --> 00:30:12,490
landers III think that why don't we talk

736
00:30:17,270 --> 00:30:14,830
about the most recent thing which is the

737
00:30:22,260 --> 00:30:17,280
Mars insight Lander all right excellent

738
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:22,270
yeah so if you're I mean if you want I

739
00:30:26,789 --> 00:30:24,250
can just go through some of the basics

740
00:30:28,500 --> 00:30:26,799
and we can you can I don't know where

741
00:30:30,630 --> 00:30:28,510
you want to go with that so yeah first

742
00:30:33,150 --> 00:30:30,640
of all I know that I always still love

743
00:30:35,460 --> 00:30:33,160
to watch when live when they land in the

744
00:30:38,610 --> 00:30:35,470
control room where everybody is just so

745
00:30:41,850 --> 00:30:38,620
excited and rightly so I mean it's their

746
00:30:44,820 --> 00:30:41,860
baby from you know from the moment it

747
00:30:47,100 --> 00:30:44,830
takes off to Lance and and it's there's

748
00:30:48,750 --> 00:30:47,110
so many things that can go wrong and and

749
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:48,760
a lot of times they're unsuccessful so

750
00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:51,610
it's it's a big deal yeah I mean I know

751
00:30:55,830 --> 00:30:54,130
that you know the United States has been

752
00:30:59,130 --> 00:30:55,840
more successful than other countries and

753
00:31:01,640 --> 00:30:59,140
getting to Mars and that's a good thing

754
00:31:04,590 --> 00:31:01,650
but we've had our share of failures too

755
00:31:06,030 --> 00:31:04,600
but I can say this the DeMars insight

756
00:31:09,510 --> 00:31:06,040
landed I mean that was in space for six

757
00:31:11,730 --> 00:31:09,520
months and it all came down to the final

758
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:11,740
seven minutes that final seven minutes

759
00:31:14,870 --> 00:31:13,450
as you've heard them say I'm sure in

760
00:31:18,740 --> 00:31:14,880
those watching and listening I've heard

761
00:31:22,350 --> 00:31:18,750
this was a the seven minutes of Terror

762
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:22,360
brightkite and everything hundreds and

763
00:31:28,380 --> 00:31:24,970
hundreds of machine operations and

764
00:31:32,310 --> 00:31:28,390
different mechanisms and bolts and

765
00:31:35,040 --> 00:31:32,320
explosive bolts and another hardware had

766
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:35,050
to do exactly what it was supposed to do

767
00:31:39,390 --> 00:31:37,450
not one thing could fail that's right

768
00:31:42,090 --> 00:31:39,400
and it did

769
00:31:44,580 --> 00:31:42,100
and as I listen to live I had

770
00:31:46,620 --> 00:31:44,590
butterflies in my stomach because you

771
00:31:48,660 --> 00:31:46,630
know I'm a obviously a big fan but I

772
00:31:51,570 --> 00:31:48,670
think of these these probes as if

773
00:31:53,970 --> 00:31:51,580
they're actually almost like people in a

774
00:31:56,910 --> 00:31:53,980
way because they are an extension of

775
00:31:59,490 --> 00:31:56,920
what we are and what the insight Lander

776
00:32:01,500 --> 00:31:59,500
is going to do on Mars is a spectacular

777
00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:01,510
mission and I really really want to see

778
00:32:08,549 --> 00:32:05,260
it happen and I was just so I was

779
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:08,559
worried but I was actually confident JPL

780
00:32:12,510 --> 00:32:11,050
has been running on a high ever since

781
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:12,520
Spirit and Opportunity actually since

782
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:14,530
curiosity okay spirit and opportunity

783
00:32:21,690 --> 00:32:18,130
those Landers had a 90 day life

784
00:32:24,180 --> 00:32:21,700
expectancy and they went on for years

785
00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:24,190
and years and years plowing through

786
00:32:29,190 --> 00:32:26,290
Martian soil winter spring summer fall

787
00:32:32,210 --> 00:32:29,200
on Mars and they continued to do their

788
00:32:34,320 --> 00:32:32,220
jobs and opportunity still continues if

789
00:32:36,060 --> 00:32:34,330
we ever I don't know if actually we

790
00:32:40,140 --> 00:32:36,070
heard back yet from opportunity don't

791
00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:40,150
think we did but spirit was stuck in

792
00:32:44,970 --> 00:32:42,250
mired and it has a wheel that stopped

793
00:32:48,570 --> 00:32:44,980
working and an opportunity during the

794
00:32:50,970 --> 00:32:48,580
dust storm was lost so I'm not sure if

795
00:32:53,360 --> 00:32:50,980
it'll ever come back but you know

796
00:32:56,070 --> 00:32:53,370
there's always hope right that's right

797
00:32:58,020 --> 00:32:56,080
there's to it so and let's talk a little

798
00:33:01,080 --> 00:32:58,030
bit about what its mission actually is

799
00:33:03,870 --> 00:33:01,090
it's gonna be doing sonar or something

800
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:03,880
to do with the crust of Mars is that

801
00:33:07,650 --> 00:33:05,890
right yeah actually there's several

802
00:33:11,730 --> 00:33:07,660
instruments on board the insight Lander

803
00:33:13,500 --> 00:33:11,740
which are really cool first of all let's

804
00:33:15,450 --> 00:33:13,510
talk about where it went right it when

805
00:33:17,580 --> 00:33:15,460
it landed and all those many things we

806
00:33:20,190 --> 00:33:17,590
talked about went right it landed in a

807
00:33:22,590 --> 00:33:20,200
place called Elysium Planitia and that

808
00:33:24,930 --> 00:33:22,600
is interesting because it's just south

809
00:33:26,549 --> 00:33:24,940
of the Viking 2 Lander and it's just

810
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:26,559
north of where the Curiosity rover

811
00:33:30,590 --> 00:33:28,090
landed it's actually closer to where the

812
00:33:33,870 --> 00:33:30,600
Curiosity rover landed than Viking and

813
00:33:36,090 --> 00:33:33,880
it has these instruments on board that

814
00:33:38,970 --> 00:33:36,100
are designed for very specific purposes

815
00:33:39,900 --> 00:33:38,980
or there's a remote manipulator arm

816
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:39,910
that's gonna be able to carry

817
00:33:44,790 --> 00:33:41,850
instruments off the main body of the

818
00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:44,800
lander and drop them onto Mars and set

819
00:33:48,690 --> 00:33:47,530
them at a distance all right and those

820
00:33:50,910 --> 00:33:48,700
instruments I'll tell you what they are

821
00:33:53,629 --> 00:33:50,920
one is called the Zeiss instrument s-cis

822
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:53,639
and that stands for seismic

823
00:34:00,509 --> 00:33:57,490
or internal structure and that's gonna

824
00:34:02,879 --> 00:34:00,519
be deployed by that remote arm and it

825
00:34:04,529 --> 00:34:02,889
has a little dust and thermal shield on

826
00:34:08,220 --> 00:34:04,539
top of it so it looks like a little bug

827
00:34:11,309 --> 00:34:08,230
a little round-topped bug and it can

828
00:34:13,319 --> 00:34:11,319
detect really small vibrations and I

829
00:34:15,569 --> 00:34:13,329
mean vibrations down to the atomic level

830
00:34:17,730 --> 00:34:15,579
this is probably one of the most

831
00:34:21,450 --> 00:34:17,740
advanced seismometers if you want to

832
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:21,460
call it that ever made and there might

833
00:34:25,500 --> 00:34:23,530
be liquid moving around inside Mars and

834
00:34:28,770 --> 00:34:25,510
this will be able to feel it all right

835
00:34:32,220 --> 00:34:28,780
there might be frictional vibration

836
00:34:33,780 --> 00:34:32,230
imparted on boulders you know many many

837
00:34:37,710 --> 00:34:33,790
miles away or hundreds of miles away

838
00:34:40,020 --> 00:34:37,720
that this else this thing can feel it'll

839
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:40,030
give us an idea of how the atmosphere of

840
00:34:43,500 --> 00:34:42,010
Mars is working what the internal

841
00:34:44,909 --> 00:34:43,510
structure within Mars is because if

842
00:34:46,950 --> 00:34:44,919
there's liquid water down there it'll

843
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:46,960
feel it it'll hear it and it'll be able

844
00:34:51,180 --> 00:34:49,569
to look at the rhythmic patterns and

845
00:34:53,159 --> 00:34:51,190
figure something out based on any

846
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:53,169
rhythmic pattern so if water sloshing

847
00:34:57,990 --> 00:34:55,839
we'll find it basically so the weather

848
00:34:59,579 --> 00:34:58,000
systems also cause vibrations in the in

849
00:35:00,990 --> 00:34:59,589
the atmosphere of Mars and these

850
00:35:03,390 --> 00:35:01,000
vibrations are something that are also

851
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:03,400
highly important that'll tell us you

852
00:35:11,579 --> 00:35:09,809
Bach tell us more about how Mars works

853
00:35:13,500 --> 00:35:11,589
because we've been there we've drilled a

854
00:35:15,750 --> 00:35:13,510
little into the soil but we haven't done

855
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:15,760
anything like this is gonna do okay

856
00:35:19,290 --> 00:35:17,290
because this experience has an

857
00:35:20,940 --> 00:35:19,300
experiment on it called the H P cubed

858
00:35:23,550 --> 00:35:20,950
experiment that's that stands for heat

859
00:35:26,700 --> 00:35:23,560
flow and physical properties probe so P

860
00:35:28,230 --> 00:35:26,710
P P P cubed so the heat flow and

861
00:35:30,059 --> 00:35:28,240
physical properties probe is going to be

862
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:30,069
deployed by the remote manipulator I'm a

863
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:32,530
separate little unit these are both both

864
00:35:40,290 --> 00:35:36,880
the the seismic deployed deployables

865
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:40,300
system and the this H P cubed experiment

866
00:35:43,859 --> 00:35:41,290
are going to be connected by little

867
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:43,869
ribbon cables back to the mainlander but

868
00:35:49,500 --> 00:35:46,210
this one this this one is the the heat

869
00:35:53,309 --> 00:35:49,510
probe is gonna actually drill down 16

870
00:35:55,950 --> 00:35:53,319
feet into the Martian surface 16 feet

871
00:35:58,220 --> 00:35:55,960
maybe but keep in mind the insight

872
00:36:00,329 --> 00:35:58,230
Lander is the size of an old you know

873
00:36:02,819 --> 00:36:00,339
convertible station wagon okay I mean

874
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:02,829
our convertible rather like like a 60s

875
00:36:05,970 --> 00:36:04,690
convertible it's a it's not small in

876
00:36:07,259 --> 00:36:05,980
each of the solar panels are or like

877
00:36:09,359 --> 00:36:07,269
seven feet in diameter

878
00:36:10,819 --> 00:36:09,369
and has two one on each side I can't

879
00:36:15,049 --> 00:36:10,829
even imagine how they could coordinate

880
00:36:17,189 --> 00:36:15,059
like the assemblage of of a drill bit

881
00:36:20,130 --> 00:36:17,199
because though obviously it's not a

882
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:20,140
16-foot long drill bit it has to be put

883
00:36:25,739 --> 00:36:23,049
together somehow yeah there's actually a

884
00:36:28,079 --> 00:36:25,749
the system is really complex of course

885
00:36:30,209 --> 00:36:28,089
and it's gonna be going down and

886
00:36:33,329 --> 00:36:30,219
basically hammering itself down into the

887
00:36:35,159 --> 00:36:33,339
surface okay and the idea is to get it

888
00:36:35,429 --> 00:36:35,169
sixteen feet down and why would they do

889
00:36:38,099 --> 00:36:35,439
that

890
00:36:39,449 --> 00:36:38,109
well it's gonna go down and what its

891
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:39,459
gonna do is detect something very

892
00:36:43,409 --> 00:36:41,049
important and that important thing is

893
00:36:46,799 --> 00:36:43,419
checking the heat that is actually

894
00:36:49,649 --> 00:36:46,809
escaping Mars all planets that have some

895
00:36:51,419 --> 00:36:49,659
type of solar you know impingement that

896
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:51,429
is to say any solar energy striking a

897
00:36:55,259 --> 00:36:53,890
surface are gonna give off some heat

898
00:36:57,059 --> 00:36:55,269
it's going to get absorbed into the

899
00:36:58,289 --> 00:36:57,069
interior of the planet and then the

900
00:37:00,269 --> 00:36:58,299
planets gonna give off some of the heat

901
00:37:03,329 --> 00:37:00,279
so that's one the second thing is if the

902
00:37:06,539 --> 00:37:03,339
core of the planet is still semi molten

903
00:37:08,370 --> 00:37:06,549
on Mars alright then you're gonna get

904
00:37:09,959 --> 00:37:08,380
some heat that's given off by that and

905
00:37:11,969 --> 00:37:09,969
that's gonna end up getting out of the

906
00:37:14,669 --> 00:37:11,979
crust eventually and that's what this

907
00:37:17,339 --> 00:37:14,679
experiments designed to look for is to

908
00:37:19,649 --> 00:37:17,349
check the heat being released by Mars

909
00:37:21,359 --> 00:37:19,659
now very important stuff now we've

910
00:37:23,279 --> 00:37:21,369
talked on sky to a radio and Amanda

911
00:37:24,929 --> 00:37:23,289
Curran my co-host knows all about this

912
00:37:29,370 --> 00:37:24,939
is one of our favorite topics we've

913
00:37:31,859 --> 00:37:29,380
talked about a special way to get Mars

914
00:37:34,409 --> 00:37:31,869
to terraform itself now we know that

915
00:37:35,789 --> 00:37:34,419
that our planet has a magnetic field the

916
00:37:38,129 --> 00:37:35,799
magnetic fields what keeps our

917
00:37:40,739 --> 00:37:38,139
atmosphere basically intact otherwise

918
00:37:43,679 --> 00:37:40,749
the radiation would destroy it well on

919
00:37:45,479 --> 00:37:43,689
Mars that did happen right and there was

920
00:37:48,029 --> 00:37:45,489
no magnetic field on Mars to speak of

921
00:37:50,939 --> 00:37:48,039
and the atmosphere was a lot thicker but

922
00:37:52,979 --> 00:37:50,949
it was destroyed over time so what we

923
00:37:54,569 --> 00:37:52,989
have to do is restart the magnetic field

924
00:37:57,509 --> 00:37:54,579
of Mars well how would we do that

925
00:37:59,099 --> 00:37:57,519
well we could re start the core

926
00:38:01,289 --> 00:37:59,109
basically if we get the core to be

927
00:38:02,669 --> 00:38:01,299
molten again in the outer core and the

928
00:38:04,169 --> 00:38:02,679
inner core of Mars rub against each

929
00:38:06,059 --> 00:38:04,179
other they'll create electric currents

930
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:06,069
which will create a magnetic field but

931
00:38:08,579 --> 00:38:06,729
guess what

932
00:38:12,149 --> 00:38:08,589
that's probably far beyond even in

933
00:38:15,779 --> 00:38:12,159
advanced species so what else is there

934
00:38:18,149 --> 00:38:15,789
well we could use the fact that there

935
00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:18,159
are points in space around Mars where

936
00:38:22,980 --> 00:38:21,040
all the gravitational forces basically

937
00:38:25,170 --> 00:38:22,990
some to zero so there's like parking

938
00:38:28,740 --> 00:38:25,180
spots in space these are called Lagrange

939
00:38:32,490 --> 00:38:28,750
points oh yeah we right if we can put a

940
00:38:34,380 --> 00:38:32,500
unit out there from Mars at the Mars

941
00:38:37,580 --> 00:38:34,390
Lagrange point number one which is

942
00:38:40,920 --> 00:38:37,590
between Mars and our Sun you know a few

943
00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:40,930
tens of millions of miles from Mars then

944
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:44,650
if that was a magnetic field generator

945
00:38:50,460 --> 00:38:48,490
of some kind all right then the solar

946
00:38:52,290 --> 00:38:50,470
energy striking the magnetic field would

947
00:38:55,620 --> 00:38:52,300
actually drape that magnetic field

948
00:38:58,710 --> 00:38:55,630
behind this so this magnetic field

949
00:39:01,020 --> 00:38:58,720
generator and also if Mars was close

950
00:39:02,850 --> 00:39:01,030
enough then it would drape it behind

951
00:39:05,370 --> 00:39:02,860
Mars as well and it would actually

952
00:39:08,390 --> 00:39:05,380
basically coat Mars with a protective

953
00:39:10,530 --> 00:39:08,400
sheath of a magnetic field and that

954
00:39:12,870 --> 00:39:10,540
downwind side basically we're talking

955
00:39:14,580 --> 00:39:12,880
about solar wind high-energy electrons

956
00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:14,590
and protons that are making their way to

957
00:39:19,980 --> 00:39:17,530
Mars and those bombard the atmosphere

958
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:19,990
every single day and destroy water vapor

959
00:39:23,720 --> 00:39:21,970
that's in the atmosphere well if we can

960
00:39:26,220 --> 00:39:23,730
shield Mars from that process

961
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:26,230
artificially with this magnetic shield

962
00:39:29,790 --> 00:39:27,850
and it's actually a real project on the

963
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:29,800
NASA docket by the way there's a halo

964
00:39:34,980 --> 00:39:32,230
magnetic shield from ours if we could do

965
00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:34,990
that then we would find that we'd have a

966
00:39:40,020 --> 00:39:38,170
Mars that is a lot more conducive to

967
00:39:42,810 --> 00:39:40,030
letting the water vapor stay in the

968
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:42,820
atmosphere and if that happens it'll get

969
00:39:47,430 --> 00:39:45,130
warmer and the polar caps will begin to

970
00:39:50,190 --> 00:39:47,440
melt co2 the carbon dioxide parts of the

971
00:39:52,110 --> 00:39:50,200
polar caps will will sublimate and go

972
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:52,120
away become carbon dioxide making the

973
00:39:56,370 --> 00:39:53,770
atmosphere heavier with this greenhouse

974
00:39:58,140 --> 00:39:56,380
gas and that will make it warmer again

975
00:40:00,420 --> 00:39:58,150
and the water will begin to melt the

976
00:40:03,150 --> 00:40:00,430
water ice which there's a lot of on Mars

977
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:03,160
and if it melts then we can have a

978
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:05,290
thicker atmosphere and if we have a

979
00:40:10,290 --> 00:40:07,210
thicker atmosphere well then you see

980
00:40:11,970 --> 00:40:10,300
Mars is terraforming itself because Mars

981
00:40:13,710 --> 00:40:11,980
generates water vapor all the time it's

982
00:40:16,170 --> 00:40:13,720
just destroyed you know by the

983
00:40:18,330 --> 00:40:16,180
ultraviolet radiation that's impacting

984
00:40:20,970 --> 00:40:18,340
it from the Sun a magnetic shield would

985
00:40:23,070 --> 00:40:20,980
prevent that you see so we actually see

986
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:23,080
a way to actually do real terraforming

987
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:25,330
at Mars and we don't even have to touch

988
00:40:30,450 --> 00:40:28,450
the planet amazing I'm gonna ask you the

989
00:40:34,720 --> 00:40:30,460
hypothetical I know no scientist likes

990
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:34,730
to answer hypothetical but now we

991
00:40:38,770 --> 00:40:36,770
dunno that there was there's signs of

992
00:40:40,660 --> 00:40:38,780
water and possibly a lot of water on

993
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:40,670
Mars at one time and flowing streams of

994
00:40:45,730 --> 00:40:42,890
flowing rivers or you know there's

995
00:40:47,950 --> 00:40:45,740
there's a you know stone stony Brook's I

996
00:40:49,900 --> 00:40:47,960
mean Brooks what am I trying to say

997
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:49,910
Brook stones you know smooth over snow

998
00:40:56,380 --> 00:40:53,170
stones and everything from running water

999
00:40:59,170 --> 00:40:56,390
the hypothetical is do you think would

1000
00:41:02,280 --> 00:40:59,180
you think that it's possible that there

1001
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:02,290
was life on Mars or not at one time

1002
00:41:09,790 --> 00:41:05,450
actually I don't think that's too

1003
00:41:13,090 --> 00:41:09,800
far-fetched yeah you talk about

1004
00:41:15,400 --> 00:41:13,100
microbial life advanced life I would

1005
00:41:17,650 --> 00:41:15,410
probably say not enough to you know look

1006
00:41:19,720 --> 00:41:17,660
at what happened here we were kind of in

1007
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:19,730
the quote-unquote perfect location and

1008
00:41:24,310 --> 00:41:21,890
yet our planet is still far from perfect

1009
00:41:25,810 --> 00:41:24,320
we've had five major extinction events

1010
00:41:27,580 --> 00:41:25,820
that it killed a lot of life on this

1011
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:27,590
planet up to 96 percent of it at one

1012
00:41:34,540 --> 00:41:31,460
time okay and yet we survived we

1013
00:41:36,460 --> 00:41:34,550
persisted you know a couple hundred

1014
00:41:39,550 --> 00:41:36,470
million years ago the Permian period was

1015
00:41:42,490 --> 00:41:39,560
in full force and mammals like we are

1016
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:42,500
we're dominant at a time but then there

1017
00:41:47,170 --> 00:41:44,450
was this great dying and 96% of the

1018
00:41:49,150 --> 00:41:47,180
species died but dinosaurs the the

1019
00:41:52,240 --> 00:41:49,160
reptiles the larger reptiles they were

1020
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:52,250
relatively unaffected and this started

1021
00:41:55,570 --> 00:41:53,810
the age of the reptiles that's why we

1022
00:42:00,070 --> 00:41:55,580
had dinosaurs on the planet and then

1023
00:42:01,630 --> 00:42:00,080
when when when the 65 million years ago

1024
00:42:03,490 --> 00:42:01,640
when the Chicxulub event or the

1025
00:42:04,780 --> 00:42:03,500
Cretaceous paly gene event that's called

1026
00:42:07,599 --> 00:42:04,790
you know the death of the dinosaurs

1027
00:42:11,140 --> 00:42:07,609
basically when that asteroid struck the

1028
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:11,150
planet that caused the reptiles to go

1029
00:42:14,620 --> 00:42:12,890
into retreat and now those mammals that

1030
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:14,630
were hiding in the shadows for millions

1031
00:42:18,730 --> 00:42:16,640
of years were able to come back out and

1032
00:42:22,750 --> 00:42:18,740
again we achieve dominance and became

1033
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:22,760
what we are on Mars that process ok

1034
00:42:27,070 --> 00:42:24,650
would have taken a lot of a lot of time

1035
00:42:30,910 --> 00:42:27,080
just like here but how do you know there

1036
00:42:33,190 --> 00:42:30,920
was any extinction events on Mars to say

1037
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:33,200
that there was you know animals on there

1038
00:42:37,810 --> 00:42:35,570
at one time you know I mean don't you

1039
00:42:40,570 --> 00:42:37,820
don't know her creatures yeah we don't

1040
00:42:42,760 --> 00:42:40,580
know but we do know that given the

1041
00:42:45,609 --> 00:42:42,770
timeframe Mars is about as old as the

1042
00:42:47,620 --> 00:42:45,619
earth basically and so we look at the

1043
00:42:48,490 --> 00:42:47,630
fact that over hundreds of millions of

1044
00:42:50,740 --> 00:42:48,500
years

1045
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:50,750
I've developed on this planet I mean if

1046
00:42:56,350 --> 00:42:53,530
you look way before the the first

1047
00:42:59,890 --> 00:42:56,360
Cambrian creatures were in the Cambrian

1048
00:43:01,960 --> 00:42:59,900
oceans okay we had probably 2.7 billion

1049
00:43:03,570 --> 00:43:01,970
years ago we had blue green algae

1050
00:43:06,580 --> 00:43:03,580
basically on the planet cyanobacteria

1051
00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:06,590
these bacteria were gobblers of carbon

1052
00:43:10,690 --> 00:43:09,290
dioxide well they could have existed on

1053
00:43:13,690 --> 00:43:10,700
Mars I don't see any reason why they

1054
00:43:16,030 --> 00:43:13,700
couldn't why because the universe

1055
00:43:17,470 --> 00:43:16,040
creates a template for carbon-based life

1056
00:43:19,350 --> 00:43:17,480
okay

1057
00:43:21,690 --> 00:43:19,360
meteors deliver carbon-based compounds

1058
00:43:23,620 --> 00:43:21,700
comets deliver carbon-based compounds

1059
00:43:24,940 --> 00:43:23,630
asteroids deliver carbon-based compounds

1060
00:43:27,880 --> 00:43:24,950
and water

1061
00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:27,890
okay along with comets so the

1062
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:30,290
carbon-based life form is actually sort

1063
00:43:37,570 --> 00:43:34,210
of a I would say a pretty destined type

1064
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:37,580
life form that you might see I say might

1065
00:43:42,370 --> 00:43:39,530
because we can't be sure in certainty

1066
00:43:44,350 --> 00:43:42,380
right and on earth it happened so why

1067
00:43:46,270 --> 00:43:44,360
couldn't have happened on Mars Mars at

1068
00:43:49,720 --> 00:43:46,280
one time was a warmer clime it was

1069
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:49,730
actually a more well developed planet it

1070
00:43:55,060 --> 00:43:51,890
had a magnetic field until the core of

1071
00:43:57,970 --> 00:43:55,070
Mars began to cool enough so the

1072
00:43:59,860 --> 00:43:57,980
magnetic field was no longer effective

1073
00:44:01,330 --> 00:43:59,870
and that's when that's when everything

1074
00:44:03,310 --> 00:44:01,340
happened that's when the atmosphere

1075
00:44:06,700 --> 00:44:03,320
began to thin because of ultraviolet

1076
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:06,710
radiation killing the h2o molecules it

1077
00:44:11,590 --> 00:44:09,050
would split apart the hydrogen would get

1078
00:44:13,060 --> 00:44:11,600
lost to space and the oxygen you know

1079
00:44:15,460 --> 00:44:13,070
atoms would actually go down into the

1080
00:44:18,040 --> 00:44:15,470
soil and bond with things like iron to

1081
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:18,050
create FeO which is iron oxide and

1082
00:44:25,660 --> 00:44:20,450
that's rust and that's why Mars is red

1083
00:44:27,730 --> 00:44:25,670
uh-huh so that you see a chronology here

1084
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:27,740
now there was a lot of water on Mars no

1085
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:29,930
doubt and people said well where is it

1086
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:31,370
where is it well we're seeing this at

1087
00:44:36,490 --> 00:44:33,890
the end of the cycle we're seeing it at

1088
00:44:40,510 --> 00:44:36,500
the time when Mars water is now locked

1089
00:44:42,610 --> 00:44:40,520
up subsurface in ice hardest granite and

1090
00:44:44,980 --> 00:44:42,620
we're seeing it at a time when Mars is

1091
00:44:47,950 --> 00:44:44,990
at a point where it doesn't have an

1092
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:47,960
atmosphere that is thick enough to allow

1093
00:44:53,080 --> 00:44:50,210
liquid water on the surface any longer

1094
00:44:56,430 --> 00:44:53,090
however we see evidence of liquid water

1095
00:44:59,980 --> 00:44:56,440
even in recent years occurring on Mars

1096
00:45:02,020 --> 00:44:59,990
mostly in the sides of deep craters

1097
00:45:02,410 --> 00:45:02,030
where suddenly right you know that's

1098
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:02,420
there

1099
00:45:05,799 --> 00:45:04,010
a burst of water that comes gushing out

1100
00:45:09,910 --> 00:45:05,809
of the side it's probably very salty and

1101
00:45:11,890 --> 00:45:09,920
it goes racing down the the crater the

1102
00:45:13,839 --> 00:45:11,900
crater interior into the toward the

1103
00:45:15,870 --> 00:45:13,849
bottom of the crater but as it's falling

1104
00:45:19,750 --> 00:45:15,880
it's also sublimating it's going away

1105
00:45:22,630 --> 00:45:19,760
you know and when it when it goes to you

1106
00:45:24,460 --> 00:45:22,640
know from that that when it goes to

1107
00:45:26,260 --> 00:45:24,470
water vapor then the water vapor is

1108
00:45:29,589 --> 00:45:26,270
destroyed by the ultraviolet radiation

1109
00:45:32,230 --> 00:45:29,599
so this this and of course it leaves a

1110
00:45:36,010 --> 00:45:32,240
salts behind so this is what we see on

1111
00:45:40,510 --> 00:45:36,020
Mars now okay we don't see standing

1112
00:45:42,910 --> 00:45:40,520
water except at the South Pole and it's

1113
00:45:45,510 --> 00:45:42,920
down I think about a kilometer below the

1114
00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:45,520
surface there's a 12 kilometer long

1115
00:45:52,089 --> 00:45:49,460
actual subsurface Lake near the South

1116
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:52,099
Pole of Mars Wow that's very important

1117
00:45:56,549 --> 00:45:53,210
because that's telling us that there's

1118
00:46:00,250 --> 00:45:56,559
actually actual real standing water and

1119
00:46:02,410 --> 00:46:00,260
that there's a place where the warmth

1120
00:46:04,450 --> 00:46:02,420
from the interior of the planet is it's

1121
00:46:06,609 --> 00:46:04,460
warm enough so that the pressure from

1122
00:46:11,049 --> 00:46:06,619
the overlying rock strata the warmth

1123
00:46:13,329 --> 00:46:11,059
coming from the core radiating out to

1124
00:46:15,430 --> 00:46:13,339
those those rock strata is enough to

1125
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:15,440
allow liquid water to form and and that

1126
00:46:17,770 --> 00:46:16,609
that's the pressure of the overlying

1127
00:46:20,230 --> 00:46:17,780
rocks which are providing the pressure

1128
00:46:23,230 --> 00:46:20,240
then the mass basically and thus the

1129
00:46:26,410 --> 00:46:23,240
weight on Mars to allow for that water

1130
00:46:29,109 --> 00:46:26,420
to exist as water as we know it it's

1131
00:46:30,609 --> 00:46:29,119
just an interesting extra and is

1132
00:46:31,750 --> 00:46:30,619
perplexing and all the new things we're

1133
00:46:34,150 --> 00:46:31,760
learning about Mars you know this is

1134
00:46:36,549 --> 00:46:34,160
just absolutely incredible you know

1135
00:46:39,460 --> 00:46:36,559
there's a question related to that Daryl

1136
00:46:42,250 --> 00:46:39,470
from YouTube and thanks again to Amanda

1137
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:42,260
for giving me these questions Daryl from

1138
00:46:49,569 --> 00:46:45,410
YouTube asked once to ask mark didn't

1139
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:49,579
one of the that just moved didn't one of

1140
00:46:55,650 --> 00:46:51,650
the Viking landers have such strong

1141
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:55,660
results from a test for life that they

1142
00:47:00,010 --> 00:46:57,770
disregarded the results have you heard

1143
00:47:02,370 --> 00:47:00,020
anything about that yeah you know I

1144
00:47:05,380 --> 00:47:02,380
actually had the the through this thick

1145
00:47:08,049 --> 00:47:05,390
I'm making a gesture for like two and a

1146
00:47:10,390 --> 00:47:08,059
half to three inches I had all the

1147
00:47:13,420 --> 00:47:10,400
results of the Viking landers and I

1148
00:47:15,430 --> 00:47:13,430
pored over them for many years and that

1149
00:47:16,790 --> 00:47:15,440
experiment they're talking about was one

1150
00:47:19,340 --> 00:47:16,800
I think we're there

1151
00:47:21,110 --> 00:47:19,350
some minerals in an oven and based on

1152
00:47:22,340 --> 00:47:21,120
what they were onboard the Viking

1153
00:47:24,230 --> 00:47:22,350
because they we had like a little easy

1154
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:24,240
bake oven basically inside of the Viking

1155
00:47:29,090 --> 00:47:27,210
and it would cook these elements to try

1156
00:47:31,850 --> 00:47:29,100
and now these these minerals and try to

1157
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:31,860
see what comes off now here's what

1158
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:33,810
happens typically just like on earth

1159
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:36,240
certain minerals can only form in the

1160
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:39,090
presence of water so they look and they

1161
00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:40,590
gauge how much of a certain minerals

1162
00:47:44,300 --> 00:47:42,090
present and that tells them how much

1163
00:47:46,430 --> 00:47:44,310
water may have been present okay we do

1164
00:47:49,220 --> 00:47:46,440
that on earth we look back and we figure

1165
00:47:52,670 --> 00:47:49,230
out how much you know water we had how

1166
00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:52,680
much oxygen we had etc well on Mars when

1167
00:47:55,250 --> 00:47:53,580
there when they were doing this

1168
00:47:57,980 --> 00:47:55,260
experiment there were some results that

1169
00:48:00,560 --> 00:47:57,990
seemed like they might have been an

1170
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:00,570
error because the results were so

1171
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:03,090
promising now I don't think that it's

1172
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:06,450
necessarily an error and guess what NASA

1173
00:48:10,940 --> 00:48:08,370
doesn't think so either and that's why

1174
00:48:15,890 --> 00:48:10,950
this Mars insight Lander landed just

1175
00:48:18,500 --> 00:48:15,900
south of the Viking 2 position Wow yeah

1176
00:48:21,620 --> 00:48:18,510
this is it's it's farther south than it

1177
00:48:23,750 --> 00:48:21,630
is from the Curiosity position curiosity

1178
00:48:28,190 --> 00:48:23,760
if you recall it found these wonderful

1179
00:48:29,390 --> 00:48:28,200
little round spheres now people have to

1180
00:48:32,270 --> 00:48:29,400
understand it when they look at pictures

1181
00:48:33,980 --> 00:48:32,280
from Mars they're in false color except

1182
00:48:37,880 --> 00:48:33,990
for the ones that are just all kind of a

1183
00:48:39,620 --> 00:48:37,890
salmon ruddy ready you know red color ok

1184
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:39,630
Mars doesn't have a whole lot of color

1185
00:48:45,560 --> 00:48:42,690
other than the red and and that's

1186
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,570
something that some when they look at

1187
00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:47,400
these little spheres that they found

1188
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:49,530
they called them blueberries now they

1189
00:48:53,510 --> 00:48:51,930
were blue because of the fact that they

1190
00:48:55,760 --> 00:48:53,520
were formed in the presence of water but

1191
00:48:57,620 --> 00:48:55,770
they were false colored they were they

1192
00:48:59,870 --> 00:48:57,630
were false colored that wasn't their

1193
00:49:01,310 --> 00:48:59,880
real color they look like little pink

1194
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:01,320
nodules but because of the mineral

1195
00:49:06,770 --> 00:49:04,290
content they were marked as blue okay so

1196
00:49:09,710 --> 00:49:06,780
it was algorithm that painted them that

1197
00:49:12,650 --> 00:49:09,720
way based on their mineralogy so we're

1198
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:12,660
not looking at a real color here and

1199
00:49:18,140 --> 00:49:14,370
that's why sometimes the photos showed

1200
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,150
blue sky and that brought all the the

1201
00:49:22,310 --> 00:49:19,920
the people that said oh look Mars really

1202
00:49:23,600 --> 00:49:22,320
has blue sky it's a that's really

1203
00:49:26,410 --> 00:49:23,610
they're hiding it from us it's like oh

1204
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:26,420
my gosh you know to what end

1205
00:49:29,930 --> 00:49:28,950
sky but it said hey Mars has blue sky

1206
00:49:32,329 --> 00:49:29,940
yeah you know

1207
00:49:34,280 --> 00:49:32,339
you know there's a lot more than that

1208
00:49:38,710 --> 00:49:34,290
goes into this what's interesting is at

1209
00:49:42,230 --> 00:49:38,720
sunset on Mars the sky is blue

1210
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:42,240
okay it's sunset all right which is kind

1211
00:49:46,730 --> 00:49:44,130
of cool usually sunset it's red here

1212
00:49:48,589 --> 00:49:46,740
right well on Mars it's more blue okay

1213
00:49:51,849 --> 00:49:48,599
nits for the opposite it's for the

1214
00:49:57,559 --> 00:49:51,859
similar but different reasons that the

1215
00:50:00,620 --> 00:49:57,569
sky is red at our sunset so yeah yeah so

1216
00:50:02,420 --> 00:50:00,630
anyway insight landed just well

1217
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:02,430
relatively south it's sort of near the

1218
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:06,170
Martian equator in Elysium Phoenicia and

1219
00:50:10,550 --> 00:50:08,940
viking was north obviously but it's on

1220
00:50:13,220 --> 00:50:10,560
that side of the planet it's in the same

1221
00:50:14,720 --> 00:50:13,230
relative region as Viking two so it'll

1222
00:50:17,329 --> 00:50:14,730
be interesting to see what this thing

1223
00:50:18,950 --> 00:50:17,339
turns up and that that heat flow probe

1224
00:50:20,839 --> 00:50:18,960
is gonna be very important too for when

1225
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:20,849
it drills now you know then there's more

1226
00:50:23,870 --> 00:50:22,290
instruments on in sight than that but

1227
00:50:25,819 --> 00:50:23,880
still yeah it's really cool that'd be

1228
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:25,829
really interesting to know whether there

1229
00:50:31,550 --> 00:50:29,760
is a heated core there should be I would

1230
00:50:33,980 --> 00:50:31,560
think there would be but whether it's

1231
00:50:34,550 --> 00:50:33,990
some heat yes but but is it molten

1232
00:50:36,770 --> 00:50:34,560
anymore

1233
00:50:39,430 --> 00:50:36,780
yes important is it moving at all you

1234
00:50:42,170 --> 00:50:39,440
know I know without without the

1235
00:50:44,990 --> 00:50:42,180
electromagnetic fear it's it's possibly

1236
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:45,000
not moving at all now I do want to say

1237
00:50:49,819 --> 00:50:47,010
that well we're we're talking about Mars

1238
00:50:51,620 --> 00:50:49,829
we're gonna go into some other things

1239
00:50:52,880 --> 00:50:51,630
but we have a and the reason I'm saying

1240
00:50:54,440 --> 00:50:52,890
that is because we are getting some

1241
00:50:56,750 --> 00:50:54,450
questions from YouTube that Amanda is

1242
00:50:59,240 --> 00:50:56,760
passing along but I'm only going to ask

1243
00:51:01,210 --> 00:50:59,250
the ones related to Mars right now we

1244
00:51:04,220 --> 00:51:01,220
have about four minutes to a break

1245
00:51:06,170 --> 00:51:04,230
before I ask this question I I just keep

1246
00:51:09,410 --> 00:51:06,180
forgetting to let the listeners know

1247
00:51:13,130 --> 00:51:09,420
that upcoming shows I have I have David

1248
00:51:14,839 --> 00:51:13,140
O'Leary from Project Blue Book he is he

1249
00:51:17,450 --> 00:51:14,849
is the creator of that for the History

1250
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:17,460
Channel he's going to be on on if you're

1251
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:19,050
listening to YouTube he's going to be on

1252
00:51:26,089 --> 00:51:22,650
December 23rd along with Dave Marla

1253
00:51:27,829 --> 00:51:26,099
that's for a full show and but that will

1254
00:51:29,540 --> 00:51:27,839
be our Christmas show so that'll be

1255
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:29,550
released during the day of Christmas

1256
00:51:33,859 --> 00:51:31,530
and we have a next week we have a

1257
00:51:36,620 --> 00:51:33,869
professor that of history talking about

1258
00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:36,630
UFOs that should be interesting so one

1259
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:38,609
more question before four minutes we go

1260
00:51:43,730 --> 00:51:41,490
to break address two from YouTube asks

1261
00:51:46,550 --> 00:51:43,740
what if Mars hasn't always been

1262
00:51:50,390 --> 00:51:46,560
the same orbit as it is now that's

1263
00:51:52,700 --> 00:51:50,400
interesting yeah I mean there are signs

1264
00:51:56,810 --> 00:51:52,710
of massive impact on Mars just like on

1265
00:51:58,700 --> 00:51:56,820
the moon and on earth but if it changed

1266
00:52:02,930 --> 00:51:58,710
its orbit that would actually have been

1267
00:52:05,240 --> 00:52:02,940
very drastic usually when a planet is in

1268
00:52:07,490 --> 00:52:05,250
early formation it might form a little

1269
00:52:09,530 --> 00:52:07,500
farther away from the star and then

1270
00:52:11,630 --> 00:52:09,540
through impacts with other objects as

1271
00:52:13,790 --> 00:52:11,640
it's accumulated more mass it might

1272
00:52:15,950 --> 00:52:13,800
actually slow down a little or it might

1273
00:52:19,730 --> 00:52:15,960
change its momentum as it's called it's

1274
00:52:21,530 --> 00:52:19,740
its speed of motion and when that

1275
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:21,540
happens it might start to spiral a

1276
00:52:26,090 --> 00:52:23,850
little bit toward the star and maybe

1277
00:52:27,710 --> 00:52:26,100
pick up another stable orbit I I think

1278
00:52:30,910 --> 00:52:27,720
that if anything Mars would have been a

1279
00:52:35,060 --> 00:52:30,920
little farther away before it was closer

1280
00:52:36,560 --> 00:52:35,070
and not the opposite way around but you

1281
00:52:38,690 --> 00:52:36,570
know there's a planets a really massive

1282
00:52:41,600 --> 00:52:38,700
thing and it would take an awful lot of

1283
00:52:46,100 --> 00:52:41,610
stuff to get in the way and cause it to

1284
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:46,110
slow down in its orbit and generally

1285
00:52:50,570 --> 00:52:48,570
that usually happens from what we see in

1286
00:52:52,550 --> 00:52:50,580
the very formative stages when it's

1287
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:52,560
first forming so it may have formed a

1288
00:52:56,540 --> 00:52:53,850
little farther out and then kind of

1289
00:52:59,720 --> 00:52:56,550
spiraled in this stuff was impacting and

1290
00:53:04,450 --> 00:52:59,730
accumulating on it that's very possible

1291
00:53:08,540 --> 00:53:04,460
but I just think that Mars probably

1292
00:53:09,650 --> 00:53:08,550
isn't relatively the same location as

1293
00:53:11,300 --> 00:53:09,660
when it was formed but that's a good

1294
00:53:13,849 --> 00:53:11,310
question because it makes people on it

1295
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:13,859
helps people understand that planets

1296
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:16,770
don't always end up looking or in the

1297
00:53:20,150 --> 00:53:17,880
same position that they were when they

1298
00:53:21,890 --> 00:53:20,160
started we see planets like that now

1299
00:53:23,780 --> 00:53:21,900
exoplanets people know I'm an exoplanet

1300
00:53:25,160 --> 00:53:23,790
guy when we look at exoplanets we know

1301
00:53:27,080 --> 00:53:25,170
that there are some that are actually

1302
00:53:29,000 --> 00:53:27,090
spiraling toward their star and they're

1303
00:53:31,010 --> 00:53:29,010
impossibly close to the star to a form

1304
00:53:32,930 --> 00:53:31,020
there and what they're actually doing is

1305
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:32,940
evaporating because they're too close to

1306
00:53:39,500 --> 00:53:36,300
the star you know and ya know it's crazy

1307
00:53:42,050 --> 00:53:39,510
stuff now as far as I know that there

1308
00:53:45,140 --> 00:53:42,060
are several possibilities of reasons

1309
00:53:49,130 --> 00:53:45,150
that we go through ice ages and one of

1310
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:49,140
them is if the Sun is quiet or dimming

1311
00:53:54,260 --> 00:53:51,450
or whatever I've heard that so would you

1312
00:53:56,450 --> 00:53:54,270
think that if Mars was terraformed in

1313
00:53:57,650 --> 00:53:56,460
that particular case do you think it

1314
00:54:01,609 --> 00:53:57,660
went through ice ages just

1315
00:54:03,440 --> 00:54:01,619
like earth and those situations well the

1316
00:54:04,940 --> 00:54:03,450
if if the Sun was responsible for

1317
00:54:06,349 --> 00:54:04,950
cooling the earth I mean we've had a

1318
00:54:09,170 --> 00:54:06,359
couple of times in our past history

1319
00:54:12,890 --> 00:54:09,180
where we think we had what's called a

1320
00:54:16,190 --> 00:54:12,900
snowball earth global glaciation the

1321
00:54:19,670 --> 00:54:16,200
entire planet like an ice ball and that

1322
00:54:22,460 --> 00:54:19,680
was way before we built up a enough

1323
00:54:25,220 --> 00:54:22,470
atmosphere to actually be a contender in

1324
00:54:27,250 --> 00:54:25,230
the planetary arena so but still

1325
00:54:29,539 --> 00:54:27,260
snowball earth is something that was

1326
00:54:32,240 --> 00:54:29,549
hypothesized for our planet

1327
00:54:34,789 --> 00:54:32,250
so could it have been that there was a

1328
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:34,799
snowball Mars well if earth was that

1329
00:54:39,319 --> 00:54:37,530
cold caused by the Sun then Mars would

1330
00:54:42,920 --> 00:54:39,329
certainly have been cold as well even

1331
00:54:47,170 --> 00:54:42,930
colder so I would imagine that Mars

1332
00:54:49,910 --> 00:54:47,180
suffered the same types of effects a

1333
00:54:52,069 --> 00:54:49,920
long-term that the earth went through

1334
00:54:54,710 --> 00:54:52,079
when it came to that kind of course view

1335
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:54,720
of things like we had a couple of global

1336
00:54:59,990 --> 00:54:57,660
cooling events on earth that were the

1337
00:55:01,490 --> 00:55:00,000
result of impacts too well we can't say

1338
00:55:04,880 --> 00:55:01,500
those happens on Mars the same time the

1339
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:04,890
same way but the global ice age and the

1340
00:55:09,859 --> 00:55:08,010
global glaciation that occurred here if

1341
00:55:11,870 --> 00:55:09,869
it was due to the Sun well then the Sun

1342
00:55:14,809 --> 00:55:11,880
change for Mars too so it would have

1343
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:14,819
changed there okay well we're ready to

1344
00:55:20,210 --> 00:55:17,130
go for break to break actually and when

1345
00:55:22,490 --> 00:55:20,220
we come back we can take calls and also

1346
00:55:24,109 --> 00:55:22,500
we're gonna be talking I want to talk a

1347
00:55:26,029 --> 00:55:24,119
space junk because that's fascinating to

1348
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,039
me so it's fun yeah

1349
00:55:30,319 --> 00:55:28,559
all right everyone so I'm on with Mark

1350
00:55:33,740 --> 00:55:30,329
Dantonio this is Martin Willis with

1351
00:55:38,470 --> 00:55:33,750
podcast UFO on kera radio and we'll be

1352
00:55:46,220 --> 00:55:41,240
clear all right how many minutes do we

1353
00:55:47,779 --> 00:55:46,230
have this time Eric four minutes you got

1354
00:55:49,549 --> 00:55:47,789
four and a half minutes okay excellent

1355
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:49,559
or minutes I mean my bed all right no

1356
00:55:52,220 --> 00:55:49,890
problem

1357
00:55:54,829 --> 00:55:52,230
so during this break mark we had a ton

1358
00:55:57,920 --> 00:55:54,839
of YouTube questions come in so let me

1359
00:56:01,420 --> 00:55:57,930
fire away I'm going to start in order so

1360
00:56:03,740 --> 00:56:01,430
that's the fair way to go let's see Kim

1361
00:56:05,450 --> 00:56:03,750
these are all YouTube questions again

1362
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,460
Kim and why don't we kind of fire

1363
00:56:08,450 --> 00:56:06,960
through them and not take too much time

1364
00:56:11,150 --> 00:56:08,460
because we have four or five of them Kim

1365
00:56:12,190 --> 00:56:11,160
wants to know what is your favorite tell

1366
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:12,200
us

1367
00:56:17,150 --> 00:56:15,089
mm like maybe I ran a brand of telescope

1368
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:17,160
I would I would yes yeah okay well my

1369
00:56:20,660 --> 00:56:18,569
home okay I can answer both of those

1370
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:20,670
questions my favorite telescope forever

1371
00:56:24,460 --> 00:56:22,770
is going to be one that's not even up

1372
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:24,470
there yet it's the James Webb telescope

1373
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:29,010
that's authentic Carter yeah yeah that's

1374
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:31,650
gonna be one that to show us the

1375
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:34,170
atmospheres of exoplanets and it's gonna

1376
00:56:39,280 --> 00:56:36,450
be able to do things by looking at the

1377
00:56:42,770 --> 00:56:39,290
reflective well we'll call it the

1378
00:56:44,180 --> 00:56:42,780
reflective index of these planets and

1379
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:44,190
Carl Sagan is the one that actually

1380
00:56:49,609 --> 00:56:46,530
suggested this way back when the Galileo

1381
00:56:52,220 --> 00:56:49,619
probe left the earth Wow we generated a

1382
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:52,230
database of reflectance that's called

1383
00:56:58,880 --> 00:56:56,640
reflectance on planets like our own and

1384
00:57:00,859 --> 00:56:58,890
we looked at what a lush rainforest

1385
00:57:02,420 --> 00:57:00,869
looks like in this reflectance index

1386
00:57:04,220 --> 00:57:02,430
well like we looked at what it does it

1387
00:57:06,290 --> 00:57:04,230
looks like in this reflectance index and

1388
00:57:09,440 --> 00:57:06,300
we made a database and it seemed like

1389
00:57:11,540 --> 00:57:09,450
it's pretty darn consistent so if we're

1390
00:57:13,910 --> 00:57:11,550
looking for things like plants and lush

1391
00:57:15,829 --> 00:57:13,920
forests we should be able to get a

1392
00:57:19,549 --> 00:57:15,839
reflectance index using the James Webb

1393
00:57:21,109 --> 00:57:19,559
telescope of these exoplanets thousands

1394
00:57:24,710 --> 00:57:21,119
and hundreds of light-years away even

1395
00:57:27,410 --> 00:57:24,720
and if we can do that we'll be able to

1396
00:57:29,569 --> 00:57:27,420
actually tell or get an idea anyway of

1397
00:57:31,849 --> 00:57:29,579
whether they're actually full of plant

1398
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:31,859
plant life and that's just the whole

1399
00:57:35,450 --> 00:57:33,720
thing right there so and what's your

1400
00:57:37,700 --> 00:57:35,460
favorite telescope that you can use like

1401
00:57:41,359 --> 00:57:37,710
to say an amateur out there wants to get

1402
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,369
into star watching yeah I think that the

1403
00:57:47,660 --> 00:57:43,440
Meade family of telescopes is reasonably

1404
00:57:50,930 --> 00:57:47,670
priced I have a research quality Mead in

1405
00:57:53,329 --> 00:57:50,940
the observatory and we'll be using it

1406
00:57:56,329 --> 00:57:53,339
tonight actually after the after we you

1407
00:57:58,309 --> 00:57:56,339
and I talk and it's gonna be a fully

1408
00:57:59,720 --> 00:57:58,319
remote operation tonight for the first

1409
00:58:01,460 --> 00:57:59,730
time so we're gonna see how that goes

1410
00:58:03,170 --> 00:58:01,470
it could go nowhere it could go

1411
00:58:07,549 --> 00:58:03,180
everywhere but we'll see what happens on

1412
00:58:09,140 --> 00:58:07,559
top of that the mead telescopes that

1413
00:58:11,390 --> 00:58:09,150
don't have to be researched grade you

1414
00:58:12,710 --> 00:58:11,400
can actually use one there are simple

1415
00:58:14,900 --> 00:58:12,720
ones that are three and four hundred

1416
00:58:16,640 --> 00:58:14,910
dollars a piece they're absolutely just

1417
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:16,650
beautiful and they actually have a

1418
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:18,089
computer eyes for like four hundred

1419
00:58:22,430 --> 00:58:19,650
dollars four to five hundred dollars

1420
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,440
that's it you can buy one that has a

1421
00:58:27,350 --> 00:58:25,440
computer control it so you can

1422
00:58:29,900 --> 00:58:27,360
it's called the go to mount you can

1423
00:58:31,430 --> 00:58:29,910
actually go to what you wanted to now

1424
00:58:33,170 --> 00:58:31,440
that requires that you learn a little

1425
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:33,180
bit about alignments and stuff and how

1426
00:58:36,410 --> 00:58:34,890
they will line the telescope properly to

1427
00:58:38,900 --> 00:58:36,420
the North celestial Pole

1428
00:58:40,670 --> 00:58:38,910
but you know something you could do it

1429
00:58:43,130 --> 00:58:40,680
with one of your kids in an afternoon

1430
00:58:44,630 --> 00:58:43,140
and it's really cool you know learn

1431
00:58:46,310 --> 00:58:44,640
about the alignment and then at night

1432
00:58:48,650 --> 00:58:46,320
you go out there and say wow this was so

1433
00:58:50,330 --> 00:58:48,660
cool and then to maintain that alignment

1434
00:58:52,400 --> 00:58:50,340
you just put little marks on the ground

1435
00:58:54,650 --> 00:58:52,410
where you had your rehab this had a

1436
00:58:56,450 --> 00:58:54,660
sitting and and make the orientation the

1437
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:56,460
same every time and you make you'll have

1438
00:59:00,230 --> 00:58:58,530
it we have no fixed questions now we

1439
00:59:02,630 --> 00:59:00,240
have to do in the minute and having

1440
00:59:04,100 --> 00:59:02,640
fluids okay Tom from YouTube wants to

1441
00:59:06,470 --> 00:59:04,110
know if you're still making models or

1442
00:59:08,150 --> 00:59:06,480
just doing radio these days now I'm

1443
00:59:10,580 --> 00:59:08,160
doing models actually I'm doing one for

1444
00:59:13,190 --> 00:59:10,590
the Navy it's right across the shop for

1445
00:59:15,970 --> 00:59:13,200
me right here so I'm doing plenty models

1446
00:59:19,820 --> 00:59:15,980
still okay we have 20 seconds actually

1447
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:19,830
Darryl Darryl wants to know I'm sorry

1448
00:59:26,870 --> 00:59:23,730
where I did that one talk ton t o n talk

1449
00:59:29,150 --> 00:59:26,880
Tony I guess do you think Matt and NASA

1450
00:59:31,930 --> 00:59:29,160
will use my Mars thermal heating to

1451
00:59:34,130 --> 00:59:31,940
colonize Mars outside of a Mars base I

1452
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:34,140
think that the whole point of putting

1453
00:59:39,890 --> 00:59:37,290
that that magnetic shield project on the

1454
00:59:41,630 --> 00:59:39,900
books is to suggest it down the line we

1455
00:59:43,790 --> 00:59:41,640
are going to colonize Mars we are gonna

1456
00:59:45,770 --> 00:59:43,800
wait for it to terraform itself will see

1457
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:45,780
a difference in just a few years on Mars

1458
00:59:52,820 --> 00:59:48,290
no no Eric will be ready to go back

1459
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:52,830
we got about 40 seconds okay 40 seconds

1460
00:59:59,570 --> 00:59:56,490
okay no one one more is Ronald wants to

1461
01:00:04,850 --> 00:59:59,580
know what effect will the Fobus impact

1462
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:04,860
have on Mars Phobos impact Phobos is one

1463
01:00:11,230 --> 01:00:07,170
of the moons of Mars I'm not sure what

1464
01:00:12,410 --> 01:00:11,240
Ronald means by that I'm not sure oh

1465
01:00:15,530 --> 01:00:12,420
maybe

1466
01:00:17,120 --> 01:00:15,540
does it have an impact on as a moon does

1467
01:00:19,790 --> 01:00:17,130
it have an impact on Mars like we have a

1468
01:00:21,830 --> 01:00:19,800
tidal impact from our oh it's very

1469
01:00:24,290 --> 01:00:21,840
slight because Phobos is very small so

1470
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:24,300
is damos the other moon there they may

1471
01:00:32,050 --> 01:00:27,000
be captured asteroids so they have

1472
01:00:33,730 --> 01:00:32,060
fairly no mass and they don't have a

1473
01:00:38,960 --> 01:00:33,740
okay here we go

1474
01:00:43,520 --> 01:00:38,970
intros rolling in five

1475
01:00:45,530 --> 01:00:43,530
or three two one all right welcome back

1476
01:00:49,190 --> 01:00:45,540
I'm Martin Willis my guest tonight is

1477
01:00:53,030 --> 01:00:49,200
Mark Dantonio and we are going to jump

1478
01:00:57,740 --> 01:00:53,040
into talking about space junk because I

1479
01:01:01,700 --> 01:00:57,750
think it's fascinating we have something

1480
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:01,710
like a hundred million or so pieces of

1481
01:01:06,920 --> 01:01:05,490
space junk flying around and so I have a

1482
01:01:09,530 --> 01:01:06,930
bunch of questions I want to ask you

1483
01:01:11,150 --> 01:01:09,540
about counting all the nuts and bolts

1484
01:01:12,950 --> 01:01:11,160
that got loose from astronauts over

1485
01:01:14,960 --> 01:01:12,960
years yes yeah that's right there's a

1486
01:01:17,150 --> 01:01:14,970
spatula right there there's all kinds of

1487
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:17,160
there's a spacesuit flying around space

1488
01:01:20,960 --> 01:01:17,970
blankets

1489
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:20,970
there's objects the size of a bus all

1490
01:01:27,349 --> 01:01:24,000
the way down to flakes of paint but I

1491
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:27,359
want to first of all ask you about the

1492
01:01:34,339 --> 01:01:31,440
danger it seems to me that putting

1493
01:01:36,109 --> 01:01:34,349
anything up in space is a great danger

1494
01:01:38,390 --> 01:01:36,119
when it comes to something that's

1495
01:01:42,140 --> 01:01:38,400
actually moving at I want to say 4-4

1496
01:01:45,589 --> 01:01:42,150
miles per second yeah I mean when when

1497
01:01:47,480 --> 01:01:45,599
you talk about you know penetrating the

1498
01:01:50,870 --> 01:01:47,490
atmosphere and heading up into space I

1499
01:01:54,500 --> 01:01:50,880
mean we we take off and we we head off

1500
01:01:57,620 --> 01:01:54,510
in the you know in the in a direction

1501
01:02:00,890 --> 01:01:57,630
that lets the rotation of the earth help

1502
01:02:02,540 --> 01:02:00,900
us with our with our motion so we start

1503
01:02:04,670 --> 01:02:02,550
off with a thousand miles an hour to

1504
01:02:06,740 --> 01:02:04,680
begin with and now we're up there and we

1505
01:02:09,050 --> 01:02:06,750
have to go to go to the Space Station

1506
01:02:11,809 --> 01:02:09,060
it's just over 250 miles up we got to be

1507
01:02:15,050 --> 01:02:11,819
moving at 17,500 miles per hour

1508
01:02:17,410 --> 01:02:15,060
amazing okay and and when you saw that

1509
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:17,420
though the beautiful fragile-looking

1510
01:02:23,150 --> 01:02:20,730
gossamer solar panels on the

1511
01:02:25,809 --> 01:02:23,160
International Space Station and then you

1512
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:25,819
saw that video of the space station

1513
01:02:31,329 --> 01:02:28,500
passing in front of the Sun that was

1514
01:02:34,220 --> 01:02:31,339
captured by a really intrepid astronomer

1515
01:02:37,040 --> 01:02:34,230
you saw that it went over the whole Sun

1516
01:02:39,620 --> 01:02:37,050
in just a split second boom and it was

1517
01:02:41,990 --> 01:02:39,630
gone that's how fast it was moving

1518
01:02:43,130 --> 01:02:42,000
across the disk of the Sun so when you

1519
01:02:44,870 --> 01:02:43,140
look at something like that you think

1520
01:02:46,250 --> 01:02:44,880
wow how could that move so fast and not

1521
01:02:49,750 --> 01:02:46,260
fall apart well it's because it's not

1522
01:02:51,980 --> 01:02:49,760
feeling any inertial forces now however

1523
01:02:52,790 --> 01:02:51,990
what's an inertial force and inertial

1524
01:02:55,490 --> 01:02:52,800
forces is

1525
01:02:58,280 --> 01:02:55,500
force that is basically based on the

1526
01:03:00,770 --> 01:02:58,290
mass of the object oh so a paint flake

1527
01:03:02,240 --> 01:03:00,780
is miniscule and if someone dropped

1528
01:03:03,740 --> 01:03:02,250
paint flakes on your head from 10 feet

1529
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:03,750
up you'd say hey cut that out

1530
01:03:09,860 --> 01:03:06,890
but if those paint flakes hit you at

1531
01:03:12,380 --> 01:03:09,870
17,000 miles per hour they'd cut right

1532
01:03:14,210 --> 01:03:12,390
through you sure like razor blades yeah

1533
01:03:16,430 --> 01:03:14,220
you know and that's the thing that is

1534
01:03:18,560 --> 01:03:16,440
always a worry and so NASA tracks

1535
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:18,570
objects in space it tracks objects in

1536
01:03:22,810 --> 01:03:21,480
orbit it tracks objects that have been

1537
01:03:25,580 --> 01:03:22,820
destroyed there have been actually

1538
01:03:27,470 --> 01:03:25,590
collisions between objects satellites

1539
01:03:29,690 --> 01:03:27,480
that have occurred and there it's

1540
01:03:31,040 --> 01:03:29,700
actually somewhat rare and there's

1541
01:03:33,320 --> 01:03:31,050
actually been satellites that have been

1542
01:03:36,140 --> 01:03:33,330
blown up intentionally right I

1543
01:03:38,990 --> 01:03:36,150
referenced the brilliant pebble you know

1544
01:03:41,630 --> 01:03:39,000
Star Wars project which you know that

1545
01:03:45,470 --> 01:03:41,640
particular project they said it never

1546
01:03:48,230 --> 01:03:45,480
got done but it did and that particular

1547
01:03:51,260 --> 01:03:48,240
project you know littered space with a

1548
01:03:53,660 --> 01:03:51,270
bunch of debris and there's no no

1549
01:03:54,920 --> 01:03:53,670
knowing which way that actually went you

1550
01:03:57,200 --> 01:03:54,930
know that cloud of debris when you eat

1551
01:04:00,290 --> 01:03:57,210
when something strikes another thing all

1552
01:04:01,430 --> 01:04:00,300
bets are off every every direction every

1553
01:04:03,380 --> 01:04:01,440
angle is gonna have a piece of debris

1554
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:03,390
flying through it and then it's gonna

1555
01:04:06,620 --> 01:04:05,250
slow down some of its going to re-enter

1556
01:04:08,360 --> 01:04:06,630
the Earth's atmosphere but some of its

1557
01:04:09,980 --> 01:04:08,370
gonna go up higher or some of its gonna

1558
01:04:12,170 --> 01:04:09,990
go along further in the same orbit

1559
01:04:15,250 --> 01:04:12,180
higher orbit lower orbit a little bit

1560
01:04:20,180 --> 01:04:15,260
and you know over time those kinds of

1561
01:04:21,860 --> 01:04:20,190
impacts will tend to clean themselves up

1562
01:04:24,230 --> 01:04:21,870
they'll tend to clean themselves up the

1563
01:04:27,350 --> 01:04:24,240
debris will tend to re-enter the Earth's

1564
01:04:28,640 --> 01:04:27,360
Earth's atmosphere it'll tend to do that

1565
01:04:31,040 --> 01:04:28,650
it's not just gonna stay there forever

1566
01:04:33,950 --> 01:04:31,050
in the same place like a big cloud of

1567
01:04:35,570 --> 01:04:33,960
debris because it's very very difficult

1568
01:04:39,380 --> 01:04:35,580
to get something in a stable orbit

1569
01:04:42,800 --> 01:04:39,390
around the planet so only a very very

1570
01:04:45,230 --> 01:04:42,810
little bit of that that junk will

1571
01:04:48,340 --> 01:04:45,240
actually be in a stable orbit from say a

1572
01:04:50,540 --> 01:04:48,350
collision or an explosion all right so

1573
01:04:52,520 --> 01:04:50,550
but the things that have been up there

1574
01:04:54,890 --> 01:04:52,530
that were things were already on orbit

1575
01:04:56,900 --> 01:04:54,900
and then accidentally dropped you know

1576
01:04:58,160 --> 01:04:56,910
and they couldn't reach for them in time

1577
01:04:58,730 --> 01:04:58,170
couldn't grab them and they kind of

1578
01:05:00,860 --> 01:04:58,740
floated away

1579
01:05:03,290 --> 01:05:00,870
they're moving at the same relative

1580
01:05:05,930 --> 01:05:03,300
speed that the space shuttle or the

1581
01:05:09,880 --> 01:05:05,940
space station that you know dropped them

1582
01:05:16,130 --> 01:05:13,510
not that bolt now is a projectile and

1583
01:05:17,990 --> 01:05:16,140
could rip right through a satellite or

1584
01:05:19,460 --> 01:05:18,000
through a rocket or through the Orion

1585
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:19,470
spacecraft when they're launching to

1586
01:05:24,680 --> 01:05:21,770
Mars they have to be absolutely careful

1587
01:05:27,260 --> 01:05:24,690
to the nth degree because they're taking

1588
01:05:29,420 --> 01:05:27,270
off through a cloud of debris basically

1589
01:05:31,310 --> 01:05:29,430
that's it's not yeah I make it sound

1590
01:05:33,860 --> 01:05:31,320
like it's everywhere it's not everywhere

1591
01:05:36,470 --> 01:05:33,870
it's in very it's in fairly well

1592
01:05:38,420 --> 01:05:36,480
regulated areas and and they know where

1593
01:05:39,770 --> 01:05:38,430
most of this stuff is but it's going in

1594
01:05:42,110 --> 01:05:39,780
it it's going in all different

1595
01:05:45,710 --> 01:05:42,120
directions that's what I just can't

1596
01:05:48,860 --> 01:05:45,720
understand how they can track it and and

1597
01:05:50,210 --> 01:05:48,870
another thing is there ever any I mean

1598
01:05:51,230 --> 01:05:50,220
it's going to get to the point where

1599
01:05:52,580 --> 01:05:51,240
they're going to have to do something

1600
01:05:54,530 --> 01:05:52,590
and do a little bit of cleaning I would

1601
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:54,540
think you know that would be a great

1602
01:05:59,360 --> 01:05:57,810
contract to get wouldn't it yeah and and

1603
01:06:02,030 --> 01:05:59,370
first you have to build the technology

1604
01:06:04,570 --> 01:06:02,040
to do the cleaning yeah because you know

1605
01:06:08,180 --> 01:06:04,580
you have to consider that there are

1606
01:06:11,090 --> 01:06:08,190
satellites orbiting everywhere from you

1607
01:06:14,990 --> 01:06:11,100
know just under 200 miles all the way to

1608
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:15,000
22,000 miles away from the earth and the

1609
01:06:17,450 --> 01:06:16,290
ones that are that far away you don't

1610
01:06:20,090 --> 01:06:17,460
really have to worry too much about

1611
01:06:21,410 --> 01:06:20,100
because they're fairly well known you

1612
01:06:23,030 --> 01:06:21,420
understand the booster they put

1613
01:06:24,530 --> 01:06:23,040
something in geosynchronous orbit that's

1614
01:06:26,540 --> 01:06:24,540
going to be you know maybe twelve

1615
01:06:29,720 --> 01:06:26,550
thousand miles out and you know you'll

1616
01:06:31,520 --> 01:06:29,730
see that thing and if you took a picture

1617
01:06:32,270 --> 01:06:31,530
of it at night like we've done in sky

1618
01:06:33,500 --> 01:06:32,280
through a live stream and the

1619
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:33,510
observatory we've taken pictures of

1620
01:06:38,330 --> 01:06:36,210
these slow-moving satellites and of the

1621
01:06:39,830 --> 01:06:38,340
geostationary satellites if you did that

1622
01:06:42,860 --> 01:06:39,840
you'd find these things moving all

1623
01:06:46,400 --> 01:06:42,870
around the the sky as well again

1624
01:06:49,670 --> 01:06:46,410
straight lines but sometimes you know

1625
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:49,680
these objects are very elusive sometimes

1626
01:06:56,870 --> 01:06:54,000
they are are rolling and tumbling end

1627
01:06:58,700 --> 01:06:56,880
over end and they actually might show

1628
01:07:00,320 --> 01:06:58,710
you something bright and then something

1629
01:07:09,590 --> 01:07:00,330
that's almost invisible than something

1630
01:07:11,450 --> 01:07:09,600
bright again I say so when something is

1631
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:11,460
when something's up there

1632
01:07:18,350 --> 01:07:14,810
like for instance 1957 there was a

1633
01:07:20,060 --> 01:07:18,360
weather satellite launch and you know of

1634
01:07:22,340 --> 01:07:20,070
course it's Deimos

1635
01:07:25,730 --> 01:07:22,350
yad long-defunct and it's gonna be like

1636
01:07:28,730 --> 01:07:25,740
240 years by the time that will actually

1637
01:07:30,050 --> 01:07:28,740
you know come back down through the

1638
01:07:33,790 --> 01:07:30,060
atmosphere and burn up

1639
01:07:37,010 --> 01:07:33,800
do they ever plan on setting something

1640
01:07:39,350 --> 01:07:37,020
at a location where it'll actually

1641
01:07:40,640 --> 01:07:39,360
re-enter after its expired you know

1642
01:07:43,490 --> 01:07:40,650
we're close to the time and it is

1643
01:07:46,460 --> 01:07:43,500
expired or they just put it up there no

1644
01:07:50,030 --> 01:07:46,470
actually most most actually I think all

1645
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:50,040
space missions now have a terminal plan

1646
01:07:55,280 --> 01:07:53,850
and they they have a plan for saving

1647
01:07:57,650 --> 01:07:55,290
just enough fuel for instance to cause a

1648
01:08:01,280 --> 01:07:57,660
controlled reentry over the Indian Ocean

1649
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:01,290
say usually and and they do this and and

1650
01:08:06,500 --> 01:08:03,810
so there is a lot of material up there

1651
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:06,510
that is that has a lifetime and they

1652
01:08:10,250 --> 01:08:08,010
don't just leave it up and say oh well

1653
01:08:13,220 --> 01:08:10,260
that's stuck up there they actually put

1654
01:08:16,010 --> 01:08:13,230
in things up there with an eye on their

1655
01:08:18,590 --> 01:08:16,020
destruction you know that's great I

1656
01:08:21,050 --> 01:08:18,600
think they do now I can't say when they

1657
01:08:24,380 --> 01:08:21,060
were in the golden age of rocketry in

1658
01:08:25,670 --> 01:08:24,390
the in the 50s okay when the Tyros

1659
01:08:27,829 --> 01:08:25,680
weather satellite went up for instance

1660
01:08:31,059 --> 01:08:27,839
yeah as long defunct but it might still

1661
01:08:34,610 --> 01:08:31,069
be up there you know but it might also

1662
01:08:38,420 --> 01:08:34,620
over the years feel the impact of a few

1663
01:08:40,160 --> 01:08:38,430
molecules you know every orbit of the

1664
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:40,170
atmosphere and that will tend to cause a

1665
01:08:44,570 --> 01:08:41,640
little bit of drag and that would make

1666
01:08:47,450 --> 01:08:44,580
it come lower and lower and lower until

1667
01:08:49,370 --> 01:08:47,460
finally it would burn up well they

1668
01:08:52,460 --> 01:08:49,380
actually can calculate how long it would

1669
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:52,470
take for an object like that to degrade

1670
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:54,930
and its orbit as it's called and then

1671
01:09:00,710 --> 01:08:58,799
that decayed orbit can then be shown and

1672
01:09:02,210 --> 01:09:00,720
then people can take a cruise ship to go

1673
01:09:03,980 --> 01:09:02,220
out and say okay well the satellites

1674
01:09:04,940 --> 01:09:03,990
gonna be entering right about now and

1675
01:09:06,770 --> 01:09:04,950
all of a sudden you start to see it I

1676
01:09:09,410 --> 01:09:06,780
mean it's literally that accurate Wow

1677
01:09:10,820 --> 01:09:09,420
and by the way let's go to the southern

1678
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:10,830
Indian Ocean where we're gonna see it

1679
01:09:15,020 --> 01:09:13,049
and usually send a plane up there and

1680
01:09:16,849 --> 01:09:15,030
you'll see it from a plane as it

1681
01:09:18,950 --> 01:09:16,859
re-enters I mean these you know that

1682
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:18,960
it's fairly well planned out but there

1683
01:09:23,960 --> 01:09:20,730
is a lot of junk there's are over almost

1684
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:23,970
5,000 active satellites and many of the

1685
01:09:28,579 --> 01:09:25,770
rests are either intermittent or are

1686
01:09:31,059 --> 01:09:28,589
fully defunct and some are boosters and

1687
01:09:33,380 --> 01:09:31,069
I was mentioning the the tumblers that

1688
01:09:33,829 --> 01:09:33,390
sometimes tumble when I was in Arizona a

1689
01:09:36,019 --> 01:09:33,839
couple weeks

1690
01:09:37,490 --> 01:09:36,029
I was here for ten days I had a as I

1691
01:09:40,249 --> 01:09:37,500
said I spoke for the Phoenix MUFON group

1692
01:09:43,609 --> 01:09:40,259
and then a week later right I helped to

1693
01:09:46,550 --> 01:09:43,619
teach the boot camp in the desert and

1694
01:09:48,559 --> 01:09:46,560
for MUFON the mutual UFO network and

1695
01:09:51,349 --> 01:09:48,569
while I was running a nighttime sky

1696
01:09:53,059 --> 01:09:51,359
watch I just happened to point a green

1697
01:09:55,459 --> 01:09:53,069
argon laser up at a constellation to

1698
01:09:58,160 --> 01:09:55,469
show people and right there at the end

1699
01:10:00,140 --> 01:09:58,170
of the laser you saw this flash and at

1700
01:10:02,419 --> 01:10:00,150
first I thought oh I illuminated a bat

1701
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:02,429
or something and then it happened again

1702
01:10:07,100 --> 01:10:05,130
I was like wait a minute check it out

1703
01:10:09,470 --> 01:10:07,110
and I pointed it out we all looked at it

1704
01:10:11,330 --> 01:10:09,480
and it's like wow how about that

1705
01:10:13,339 --> 01:10:11,340
it was coincidental that I put the laser

1706
01:10:14,959 --> 01:10:13,349
at it but some people were wondering

1707
01:10:18,950 --> 01:10:14,969
whether I initiated some kind of

1708
01:10:21,620 --> 01:10:18,960
communication of course yeah that's what

1709
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:21,630
people thought but the fact is it was

1710
01:10:25,070 --> 01:10:23,489
actually a tumbling satellite body and

1711
01:10:28,040 --> 01:10:25,080
we could look it up we found which one

1712
01:10:30,260 --> 01:10:28,050
it was I think was SB dash 8 you know

1713
01:10:31,729 --> 01:10:30,270
and bottom line is that was just

1714
01:10:34,310 --> 01:10:31,739
tumbling and it was catching the glint

1715
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:34,320
of the Sun as it was tumbling slowly in

1716
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:39,810
space and then as it passed over us or

1717
01:10:47,089 --> 01:10:42,210
past enough past us so the glint was no

1718
01:10:48,560 --> 01:10:47,099
longer visible then it went away and I

1719
01:10:52,339 --> 01:10:48,570
took a time exposure of the area and I

1720
01:10:55,070 --> 01:10:52,349
caught it on on I captured I should say

1721
01:10:57,050 --> 01:10:55,080
on the digital camera and we actually

1722
01:10:58,430 --> 01:10:57,060
have this little faint line of where it

1723
01:11:00,919 --> 01:10:58,440
was but it's very bright because it's

1724
01:11:03,410 --> 01:11:00,929
reflecting a very bright Sun you know

1725
01:11:06,260 --> 01:11:03,420
interesting yeah yeah

1726
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:06,270
so yeah space another way to look at

1727
01:11:10,669 --> 01:11:08,489
space junk it's our the history of our

1728
01:11:12,620 --> 01:11:10,679
technology is floating around there

1729
01:11:14,510 --> 01:11:12,630
perfectly preserved or most a lot of it

1730
01:11:16,040 --> 01:11:14,520
is that you know like you said earlier

1731
01:11:18,890 --> 01:11:16,050
some of it might smash into each other

1732
01:11:21,320 --> 01:11:18,900
and kind of take vaporize itself and all

1733
01:11:23,959 --> 01:11:21,330
that okay question earlier we were

1734
01:11:28,189 --> 01:11:23,969
talking about the James Webb the James

1735
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:28,199
Webb telescope would that be able to

1736
01:11:33,919 --> 01:11:32,010
detect a planet like ours that are with

1737
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,929
silly people on our you know people like

1738
01:11:38,300 --> 01:11:36,239
animals sending things up into space and

1739
01:11:40,910 --> 01:11:38,310
causing their own space junk would we

1740
01:11:42,140 --> 01:11:40,920
actually be able to detect that well

1741
01:11:43,939 --> 01:11:42,150
I'll tell you what we'd be able to

1742
01:11:45,830 --> 01:11:43,949
detect to detect and this is the thing

1743
01:11:47,419 --> 01:11:45,840
that you know when when Stephen Hawking

1744
01:11:47,800 --> 01:11:47,429
said you know we don't want to announce

1745
01:11:49,090 --> 01:11:47,810
our

1746
01:11:50,950 --> 01:11:49,100
we should really just sort of be quiet

1747
01:11:55,810 --> 01:11:50,960
and not let them know we're here

1748
01:11:57,970 --> 01:11:55,820
well and he knew this unfortunately we

1749
01:11:59,050 --> 01:11:57,980
had no call we had no choice okay we

1750
01:12:01,810 --> 01:11:59,060
didn't cause it

1751
01:12:04,240 --> 01:12:01,820
it happened 2.7 billion years ago when

1752
01:12:06,100 --> 01:12:04,250
those cyanobacteria started eating the

1753
01:12:08,530 --> 01:12:06,110
carbon dioxide and basically pooping

1754
01:12:11,140 --> 01:12:08,540
oxygen all right and that's what we

1755
01:12:13,660 --> 01:12:11,150
breathe all right is that waste product

1756
01:12:16,660 --> 01:12:13,670
from this process and the buildup of

1757
01:12:18,130 --> 01:12:16,670
this oxygen atmosphere at our planet is

1758
01:12:21,340 --> 01:12:18,140
something that is very important because

1759
01:12:23,980 --> 01:12:21,350
at Mars we know that when materials were

1760
01:12:26,380 --> 01:12:23,990
broken down the oxygen went right back

1761
01:12:28,660 --> 01:12:26,390
into the soils and disappeared from the

1762
01:12:30,700 --> 01:12:28,670
atmosphere almost entirely and that's

1763
01:12:33,250 --> 01:12:30,710
what the planet wants to do it wants to

1764
01:12:36,160 --> 01:12:33,260
get rid of the oxygen that way so when

1765
01:12:37,330 --> 01:12:36,170
we look at a planet like the earth if we

1766
01:12:39,070 --> 01:12:37,340
look at the planet like the earth from

1767
01:12:41,110 --> 01:12:39,080
from a thousand ten thousand light years

1768
01:12:43,930 --> 01:12:41,120
away if we can see what the atmosphere

1769
01:12:45,820 --> 01:12:43,940
is made of we're gonna see oxygen and

1770
01:12:48,520 --> 01:12:45,830
we're gonna know from studying the

1771
01:12:51,220 --> 01:12:48,530
oxygen atmosphere of that planet that

1772
01:12:53,050 --> 01:12:51,230
this is no accident this is nothing

1773
01:12:56,320 --> 01:12:53,060
that's sitting in the it's a mature

1774
01:13:00,190 --> 01:12:56,330
planet it's circling the Sun in a stable

1775
01:13:03,520 --> 01:13:00,200
orbit it's in the habitable zone we know

1776
01:13:05,830 --> 01:13:03,530
that that oxygen is not due to some

1777
01:13:08,590 --> 01:13:05,840
sudden catastrophic release of oxygen

1778
01:13:10,870 --> 01:13:08,600
most likely but it's something being

1779
01:13:12,730 --> 01:13:10,880
replenished and that replenishment is

1780
01:13:15,130 --> 01:13:12,740
likely coming from a carbon-based

1781
01:13:16,570 --> 01:13:15,140
template provided by the universe and

1782
01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:16,580
all the things I mentioned earlier and

1783
01:13:21,510 --> 01:13:18,980
that carbon-based template has created

1784
01:13:25,330 --> 01:13:21,520
some type of life that utilizes this

1785
01:13:28,180 --> 01:13:25,340
catalyzer you know this this oxidizer I

1786
01:13:30,520 --> 01:13:28,190
should say and so that is something that

1787
01:13:32,710 --> 01:13:30,530
would be visible many many light-years

1788
01:13:34,300 --> 01:13:32,720
away so the James Webb telescope is

1789
01:13:34,900 --> 01:13:34,310
going to look for oxygen atmosphere is

1790
01:13:38,350 --> 01:13:34,910
undoubtedly

1791
01:13:40,830 --> 01:13:38,360
wouldn't you think though I'll pardon me

1792
01:13:43,840 --> 01:13:40,840
along the lines of what I just mentioned

1793
01:13:45,700 --> 01:13:43,850
would you think that it would be a way

1794
01:13:47,620 --> 01:13:45,710
to detect that there's intelligent life

1795
01:13:51,490 --> 01:13:47,630
out there is to actually see if there's

1796
01:13:52,990 --> 01:13:51,500
baked space junk flying around a planet

1797
01:13:55,240 --> 01:13:53,000
or you think that's a silly silly

1798
01:13:56,650 --> 01:13:55,250
thought no it's not a silly thought it's

1799
01:13:59,320 --> 01:13:56,660
just that it's a thought beyond a

1800
01:14:00,910 --> 01:13:59,330
technological capability I see um we

1801
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:00,920
don't have a way to detect that space

1802
01:14:10,130 --> 01:14:01,650
junk

1803
01:14:13,100 --> 01:14:10,140
or active satellites around this other

1804
01:14:15,830 --> 01:14:13,110
planet somewhere was beaming some type

1805
01:14:18,260 --> 01:14:15,840
of radiation we might be able to detect

1806
01:14:21,080 --> 01:14:18,270
this periodic radiation pulse of some

1807
01:14:24,920 --> 01:14:21,090
type coming from a planet for instance

1808
01:14:27,440 --> 01:14:24,930
when tabatha Boyajian discovered the

1809
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:27,450
star that was dimming the notion that

1810
01:14:34,070 --> 01:14:29,610
maybe that was dimming because a

1811
01:14:36,470 --> 01:14:34,080
advanced race was building a dyson type

1812
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:36,480
sphere that is - this enclosure that

1813
01:14:40,850 --> 01:14:38,730
would completely encapsulate their star

1814
01:14:43,310 --> 01:14:40,860
and absorb all the energy from it it's

1815
01:14:45,740 --> 01:14:43,320
actually one of the postulated thought

1816
01:14:47,840 --> 01:14:45,750
processes that Freeman Dyson suggested

1817
01:14:49,430 --> 01:14:47,850
named for him of course but it would be

1818
01:14:52,580 --> 01:14:49,440
more likely something called a Dyson

1819
01:14:54,530 --> 01:14:52,590
swarm a lot of satellites that would be

1820
01:14:57,200 --> 01:14:54,540
microwave radiation back to the planet

1821
01:14:58,730 --> 01:14:57,210
so it captures it from the star put up

1822
01:15:02,150 --> 01:14:58,740
enough satellites they're gonna dim the

1823
01:15:03,560 --> 01:15:02,160
sunlight as seen from the from our

1824
01:15:07,820 --> 01:15:03,570
planet because they would be orbiting

1825
01:15:10,820 --> 01:15:07,830
the star not that planet okay so it's

1826
01:15:12,650 --> 01:15:10,830
possible that we could see something but

1827
01:15:15,890 --> 01:15:12,660
I don't think that we have the ability

1828
01:15:17,690 --> 01:15:15,900
yet to discern the difference yet I mean

1829
01:15:21,380 --> 01:15:17,700
it'll be enough to when we get the James

1830
01:15:24,440 --> 01:15:21,390
Webb up there to to look and see whether

1831
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:24,450
a planet has an oxygenated atmosphere if

1832
01:15:30,710 --> 01:15:28,290
it does and it's fairly significant then

1833
01:15:33,080 --> 01:15:30,720
that will mean to us there's probably

1834
01:15:34,400 --> 01:15:33,090
life there of some kind you know maybe I

1835
01:15:36,770 --> 01:15:34,410
mean could it be a volcanic in origin

1836
01:15:39,380 --> 01:15:36,780
could it be other mineralogical

1837
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:39,390
processes sure oxygen can be formed that

1838
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:41,010
way but it has to be an awful lot of a

1839
01:15:44,840 --> 01:15:43,170
specific set of minerals to let it cause

1840
01:15:47,180 --> 01:15:44,850
that much oxygen if we see it that much

1841
01:15:49,790 --> 01:15:47,190
so we don't have that even on earth we

1842
01:15:51,830 --> 01:15:49,800
don't have that on Mars yet Mars makes

1843
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:51,840
oxygen in a similar fashion and there's

1844
01:15:55,810 --> 01:15:53,730
there's ways in which it happens there's

1845
01:15:58,880 --> 01:15:55,820
ways that it happens here of course and

1846
01:16:02,570 --> 01:15:58,890
here it's the fact that our planet is

1847
01:16:05,840 --> 01:16:02,580
not repeat not in equilibrium if it was

1848
01:16:08,020 --> 01:16:05,850
in equilibrium then the oxygen in the

1849
01:16:10,970 --> 01:16:08,030
atmosphere would have found some level

1850
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:10,980
that's fairly low and gets absorbed back

1851
01:16:15,390 --> 01:16:12,810
into the soils and binds with all these

1852
01:16:17,550 --> 01:16:15,400
other components in the soils the

1853
01:16:20,399 --> 01:16:17,560
not what happened here we have something

1854
01:16:24,959 --> 01:16:20,409
called disequilibrium we are not a

1855
01:16:26,700 --> 01:16:24,969
planet that's basically in a state that

1856
01:16:29,280 --> 01:16:26,710
is balanced

1857
01:16:31,830 --> 01:16:29,290
we're unbalanced and we're pro oxygen

1858
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:31,840
Wow see hey mark we have a we have a

1859
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:36,010
caller calling in now so let me take the

1860
01:16:42,500 --> 01:16:38,890
call there caller you're on the line

1861
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:48,149
caller can you hear me well we do have a

1862
01:16:54,450 --> 01:16:50,290
caller on there he's he or she is being

1863
01:16:57,570 --> 01:16:54,460
very quiet and hey if they call through

1864
01:17:01,169 --> 01:16:57,580
Skype they're actually gone now so and

1865
01:17:03,060 --> 01:17:01,179
I'm sorry to have interrupted you know

1866
01:17:05,550 --> 01:17:03,070
on space junk

1867
01:17:11,310 --> 01:17:05,560
now someone made a good point how long

1868
01:17:15,660 --> 01:17:11,320
do we expect the ISS to be in orbit well

1869
01:17:18,620 --> 01:17:15,670
um if we leave it alone it'll come down

1870
01:17:22,770 --> 01:17:18,630
in the next few years we have to

1871
01:17:25,080 --> 01:17:22,780
constantly monitor the ISS because it's

1872
01:17:27,540 --> 01:17:25,090
a big broad object and it is getting hit

1873
01:17:30,060 --> 01:17:27,550
by stray molecules here and there and

1874
01:17:32,820 --> 01:17:30,070
stray atoms from our atmosphere all

1875
01:17:34,500 --> 01:17:32,830
right so we do have to monitor that so

1876
01:17:37,140 --> 01:17:34,510
it would come down in a few years I

1877
01:17:38,430 --> 01:17:37,150
think they have funding through and I

1878
01:17:41,040 --> 01:17:38,440
could be wrong on the date here but I

1879
01:17:43,470 --> 01:17:41,050
think it through through 2028 I think

1880
01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:43,480
they have funding now if you consider

1881
01:17:49,010 --> 01:17:45,610
what's happening we're putting up new

1882
01:17:51,990 --> 01:17:49,020
stuff like you know we got that new

1883
01:17:54,479 --> 01:17:52,000
inflated tat as I call it that Robert

1884
01:17:56,820 --> 01:17:54,489
Bigelow right put up there I think

1885
01:17:59,340 --> 01:17:56,830
that's the future I actually believe in

1886
01:18:02,040 --> 01:17:59,350
Bigelow's mission with that because I

1887
01:18:05,220 --> 01:18:02,050
think that putting an inflatable habitat

1888
01:18:08,130 --> 01:18:05,230
on Mars or the moon a moon first I think

1889
01:18:10,100 --> 01:18:08,140
is probably a better idea is something

1890
01:18:14,370 --> 01:18:10,110
that's going to really pave the way for

1891
01:18:17,640 --> 01:18:14,380
being able to have cheap housing in

1892
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:17,650
habitable areas and if you put those on

1893
01:18:22,470 --> 01:18:20,530
the ground then you have the protection

1894
01:18:24,890 --> 01:18:22,480
from the ultraviolet say on the moon and

1895
01:18:27,959 --> 01:18:24,900
of course on Mars still at this point

1896
01:18:29,699 --> 01:18:27,969
just just a couple more questions about

1897
01:18:31,379 --> 01:18:29,709
space junk

1898
01:18:32,819 --> 01:18:31,389
and then we'll move on well I'd like to

1899
01:18:34,199 --> 01:18:32,829
talk low bit about you just mentioned

1900
01:18:37,229 --> 01:18:34,209
the moon like to talk about the Chinese

1901
01:18:38,729 --> 01:18:37,239
plant moon lander that just landed if

1902
01:18:42,660 --> 01:18:38,739
you know do you know anything about that

1903
01:18:44,660 --> 01:18:42,670
in particular oh it's at the Changi

1904
01:18:47,640 --> 01:18:44,670
youngji I think that's the way it's oh

1905
01:18:49,350 --> 01:18:47,650
yeah so you answered that and you know

1906
01:18:51,509 --> 01:18:49,360
something about it sure you're something

1907
01:18:53,430 --> 01:18:51,519
all right well so I thought it was a

1908
01:18:56,040 --> 01:18:53,440
really interesting Lander yeah alright

1909
01:18:58,259 --> 01:18:56,050
but before that I want to ask just a

1910
01:19:02,580 --> 01:18:58,269
couple more questions or one or one

1911
01:19:05,339 --> 01:19:02,590
possibly only how do you how dangerous

1912
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:05,349
is space junk you know you think about

1913
01:19:09,959 --> 01:19:07,329
most of it gets burned up in the

1914
01:19:12,089 --> 01:19:09,969
atmosphere and by the way if it gets

1915
01:19:13,680 --> 01:19:12,099
burned up in the atmosphere and it could

1916
01:19:16,799 --> 01:19:13,690
is there any way it could still pose

1917
01:19:18,299 --> 01:19:16,809
some type of problem as far as poisons

1918
01:19:20,009 --> 01:19:18,309
or anything like that or once it's

1919
01:19:21,199 --> 01:19:20,019
burned up it's just nothing to worry

1920
01:19:24,569 --> 01:19:21,209
about

1921
01:19:25,949 --> 01:19:24,579
well I think that only for the local

1922
01:19:29,310 --> 01:19:25,959
environment where it hits like if

1923
01:19:32,489 --> 01:19:29,320
hydrazine tanks are corrosive hydrazine

1924
01:19:35,009 --> 01:19:32,499
corrosive material so the likelihood

1925
01:19:39,029 --> 01:19:35,019
that there's hydrazine still in a tank

1926
01:19:41,699 --> 01:19:39,039
when it hits the ground is fairly high

1927
01:19:43,799 --> 01:19:41,709
if the if the if it went through some

1928
01:19:45,870 --> 01:19:43,809
kind of circuitous reentry pattern where

1929
01:19:49,080 --> 01:19:45,880
it didn't really get the same kind of

1930
01:19:50,549 --> 01:19:49,090
heating if it wasn't breached okay if it

1931
01:19:52,229 --> 01:19:50,559
was still like a spherical tank and the

1932
01:19:53,790 --> 01:19:52,239
valve was closed at the bottom and then

1933
01:19:57,870 --> 01:19:53,800
maybe there could be something in there

1934
01:19:59,939 --> 01:19:57,880
but it's it's really toxic so I think

1935
01:20:01,649 --> 01:19:59,949
that's true now the bigger question

1936
01:20:05,549 --> 01:20:01,659
comes when you talk about launching

1937
01:20:11,069 --> 01:20:05,559
nuclear satellites okay we had Cassini

1938
01:20:14,279 --> 01:20:11,079
okay Cassini was nuclear-powered I think

1939
01:20:17,279 --> 01:20:14,289
and so was Jaleo I believe and you if

1940
01:20:20,040 --> 01:20:17,289
those failed on launch then they had to

1941
01:20:21,930 --> 01:20:20,050
have procedures in place such that the

1942
01:20:23,819 --> 01:20:21,940
rocket that comes crashing back to earth

1943
01:20:27,089 --> 01:20:23,829
with this satellite with a nuclear power

1944
01:20:28,770 --> 01:20:27,099
core in it would not cause any kind of

1945
01:20:30,750 --> 01:20:28,780
breach so they had these special

1946
01:20:35,879 --> 01:20:30,760
containment vessels inside these

1947
01:20:38,580 --> 01:20:35,889
satellites that were literally so they

1948
01:20:40,500 --> 01:20:38,590
were tested so so much to prevent breach

1949
01:20:42,089 --> 01:20:40,510
they tried everything nothing would

1950
01:20:43,020 --> 01:20:42,099
breach them so they figured okay they're

1951
01:20:45,810 --> 01:20:43,030
safe in an

1952
01:20:46,979 --> 01:20:45,820
they won't reach so it's really the

1953
01:20:48,990 --> 01:20:46,989
nuclear stuff we have to worry about

1954
01:20:51,149 --> 01:20:49,000
more I think because I mean just look at

1955
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:51,159
Fukushima I look at you know oh that's

1956
01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:52,329
actually look at your novel

1957
01:20:57,359 --> 01:20:55,150
okay Chernobyl was a deadly accident and

1958
01:21:00,359 --> 01:20:57,369
that core what people don't know is that

1959
01:21:01,919 --> 01:21:00,369
core was that that melted core in that

1960
01:21:03,930 --> 01:21:01,929
graphite reactor was actually melting

1961
01:21:06,629 --> 01:21:03,940
through the containment building and it

1962
01:21:09,899 --> 01:21:06,639
was thanks to an American team right

1963
01:21:11,370 --> 01:21:09,909
that that meltdown was stopped and you

1964
01:21:14,430 --> 01:21:11,380
can you can thank the scientists at

1965
01:21:17,189 --> 01:21:14,440
Lawrence Livermore for that and when

1966
01:21:19,020 --> 01:21:17,199
that occurred had it gone through the

1967
01:21:21,899 --> 01:21:19,030
containment and gotten into the water

1968
01:21:24,450 --> 01:21:21,909
table just below the building then we

1969
01:21:26,669 --> 01:21:24,460
would have this erupting steam volcano

1970
01:21:28,500 --> 01:21:26,679
radioactive steam volcano it would have

1971
01:21:31,350 --> 01:21:28,510
gone on for tens of thousands of years

1972
01:21:33,750 --> 01:21:31,360
Wow yeah and that would have cost

1973
01:21:38,100 --> 01:21:33,760
hundreds of millions of lives over time

1974
01:21:41,160 --> 01:21:38,110
but because you know it was a project

1975
01:21:44,669 --> 01:21:41,170
that was classified and the Russians

1976
01:21:46,950 --> 01:21:44,679
asked for help the people that saved

1977
01:21:48,810 --> 01:21:46,960
hundreds of millions of lives couldn't

1978
01:21:50,490 --> 01:21:48,820
be acknowledged you know and that's

1979
01:21:53,040 --> 01:21:50,500
actually that's a true story

1980
01:21:55,859 --> 01:21:53,050
told to me by the actual scientist who

1981
01:21:58,319 --> 01:21:55,869
created the solution to the problem yeah

1982
01:22:00,870 --> 01:21:58,329
I know it's way off topic but it it is

1983
01:22:02,850 --> 01:22:00,880
but no no I'm saying Fukushima still

1984
01:22:05,100 --> 01:22:02,860
really worries me and I don't think

1985
01:22:06,689 --> 01:22:05,110
enough people uh I think that's so far

1986
01:22:08,879 --> 01:22:06,699
out of the news but it's still a real

1987
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,889
big deal well yeah that's why I'm saying

1988
01:22:12,629 --> 01:22:10,480
you know I'm more worried not about

1989
01:22:14,490 --> 01:22:12,639
hydrazine and fuel that can always be

1990
01:22:17,060 --> 01:22:14,500
cleaned up you can't just go clean up a

1991
01:22:20,310 --> 01:22:17,070
nuclear accident so if there's a nuclear

1992
01:22:21,990 --> 01:22:20,320
spacecraft that's a big problem we do

1993
01:22:24,779 --> 01:22:22,000
have to worry about that right and

1994
01:22:27,689 --> 01:22:24,789
hasn't uh since you're talking about

1995
01:22:29,959 --> 01:22:27,699
satellites hasn't Kepler been basically

1996
01:22:34,529 --> 01:22:29,969
decommissioned in space at this point

1997
01:22:37,740 --> 01:22:34,539
well the k2 satellite let's call it that

1998
01:22:40,410 --> 01:22:37,750
because Kepler was the first mission and

1999
01:22:42,540 --> 01:22:40,420
Kepler was launched in 2009 March of

2000
01:22:45,149 --> 01:22:42,550
2009 actually I remember I mean I was so

2001
01:22:46,890 --> 01:22:45,159
intrigued I couldn't wait and it looks

2002
01:22:49,649 --> 01:22:46,900
up at an area the size of your fist

2003
01:22:52,500 --> 01:22:49,659
extended at arm's length at one spot in

2004
01:22:54,479 --> 01:22:52,510
space yeah and they have these reaction

2005
01:22:57,419 --> 01:22:54,489
wheels these these disks that that spin

2006
01:23:01,589 --> 01:22:57,429
and they actually cause moment'

2007
01:23:04,500 --> 01:23:01,599
- to be balanced and that combination of

2008
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:04,510
spinning disks on the on the satellite

2009
01:23:08,970 --> 01:23:06,489
cause the satellite to have a ability to

2010
01:23:13,560 --> 01:23:08,980
be moved in any particular location very

2011
01:23:15,540 --> 01:23:13,570
very precisely okay well to respond to

2012
01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:15,550
the solar wind that's hitting it and

2013
01:23:20,070 --> 01:23:17,530
then we'll have our third reaction wheel

2014
01:23:21,720 --> 01:23:20,080
back kinda sorta and they said yeah

2015
01:23:23,220 --> 01:23:21,730
let's try that kind of sorta and that

2016
01:23:27,419 --> 01:23:23,230
kind of sorta was a brilliant success

2017
01:23:32,280 --> 01:23:27,429
and then that found an additional 23 or

2018
01:23:34,850 --> 01:23:32,290
25 hundred planets you know on top so

2019
01:23:37,379 --> 01:23:34,860
we're talking a major success but then

2020
01:23:39,600 --> 01:23:37,389
they still need a little extra fuel they

2021
01:23:41,250 --> 01:23:39,610
needed to have some fuel that wasn't you

2022
01:23:43,560 --> 01:23:41,260
know electrical from solar and wasn't

2023
01:23:45,450 --> 01:23:43,570
from the reaction wheels to actually do

2024
01:23:49,560 --> 01:23:45,460
some of the tasks to orient Kepler and

2025
01:23:54,629 --> 01:23:49,570
unfortunately when that ran out Kepler

2026
01:23:57,000 --> 01:23:54,639
and Kepler to other reengineered Kepler

2027
01:23:59,790 --> 01:23:57,010
mission did you have to come to an end

2028
01:24:01,919 --> 01:23:59,800
right yeah all good things have to come

2029
01:24:04,800 --> 01:24:01,929
to an end so carry us ending this

2030
01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:04,810
question through email and he wanted to

2031
01:24:08,390 --> 01:24:06,760
know as an astronomer what are your

2032
01:24:11,339 --> 01:24:08,400
thoughts on Stephen Hawking's

2033
01:24:15,780 --> 01:24:11,349
hypothesis that black holes could be

2034
01:24:18,540 --> 01:24:15,790
gateways to another universe well that's

2035
01:24:21,390 --> 01:24:18,550
a loaded question Han and I'm really

2036
01:24:22,439 --> 01:24:21,400
grateful for that question it is sort of

2037
01:24:23,729 --> 01:24:22,449
different from what you want to talk

2038
01:24:26,790 --> 01:24:23,739
about I'm sure Martin but you know what

2039
01:24:28,649 --> 01:24:26,800
that's alright as far as being gateways

2040
01:24:31,109 --> 01:24:28,659
to a different universe we don't really

2041
01:24:33,419 --> 01:24:31,119
know what's inside a black hole we just

2042
01:24:36,540 --> 01:24:33,429
know what's not inside a black hole and

2043
01:24:37,830 --> 01:24:36,550
that's the rest of space around it um we

2044
01:24:39,390 --> 01:24:37,840
know that if the Sun were to become a

2045
01:24:40,890 --> 01:24:39,400
black hole tomorrow and it can it's not

2046
01:24:43,020 --> 01:24:40,900
massive enough but if it did let's just

2047
01:24:45,450 --> 01:24:43,030
say the the planets would just continue

2048
01:24:48,390 --> 01:24:45,460
orbiting like normal because you know

2049
01:24:50,580 --> 01:24:48,400
black hole is basically you know is

2050
01:24:52,470 --> 01:24:50,590
created by the amount of gravity that

2051
01:24:54,870 --> 01:24:52,480
the original star had it's just that

2052
01:24:56,990 --> 01:24:54,880
it's focused on to a small infinitely

2053
01:24:59,790 --> 01:24:57,000
small point basically which of course

2054
01:25:01,919 --> 01:24:59,800
people can't comprehend what infinity is

2055
01:25:06,330 --> 01:25:01,929
never mind a singularity that is an

2056
01:25:09,700 --> 01:25:06,340
infinitely small point but that said my

2057
01:25:12,820 --> 01:25:09,710
feeling is you know that it's possible

2058
01:25:14,220 --> 01:25:12,830
but probably not probable I mean I think

2059
01:25:18,190 --> 01:25:14,230
that we're probably talking about

2060
01:25:21,100 --> 01:25:18,200
parallel universes multiverses before we

2061
01:25:22,450 --> 01:25:21,110
would talk about you know and I'll tell

2062
01:25:23,740 --> 01:25:22,460
you more about that and I don't think

2063
01:25:27,070 --> 01:25:23,750
black holes are the ticket to get there

2064
01:25:29,350 --> 01:25:27,080
I think that there's a number of ways it

2065
01:25:31,600 --> 01:25:29,360
could be interdimensionally or it could

2066
01:25:34,540 --> 01:25:31,610
be kind of like the soap suds theory

2067
01:25:36,130 --> 01:25:34,550
where if you if you you you pour some

2068
01:25:38,140 --> 01:25:36,140
dawn dish detergent and you're sinking

2069
01:25:40,330 --> 01:25:38,150
run the sink really LA or it really hard

2070
01:25:42,280 --> 01:25:40,340
with hot water you get this big froth of

2071
01:25:44,530 --> 01:25:42,290
suds well what's it looking for each of

2072
01:25:46,870 --> 01:25:44,540
those suds individual suds was a

2073
01:25:49,229 --> 01:25:46,880
universe okay that's one of the theories

2074
01:25:52,240 --> 01:25:49,239
and each of the suds next to it is

2075
01:25:55,900 --> 01:25:52,250
connected to it by a flat wall in a flat

2076
01:25:57,790 --> 01:25:55,910
facet and that flat facet of the edge of

2077
01:25:59,200 --> 01:25:57,800
that bubble for all the interior bubbles

2078
01:26:01,660 --> 01:25:59,210
the the universe would have flat sides

2079
01:26:04,870 --> 01:26:01,670
for the outside one they might have

2080
01:26:06,459 --> 01:26:04,880
somewhat circular outsides and that has

2081
01:26:09,100 --> 01:26:06,469
to do with the law of minimal surfaces

2082
01:26:11,020 --> 01:26:09,110
and then which just means you know it

2083
01:26:13,450 --> 01:26:11,030
had to take up the least amount of space

2084
01:26:16,060 --> 01:26:13,460
possible it's gonna you know a creator a

2085
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:16,070
little round object on near the outside

2086
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,610
but inside it may not and so maybe our

2087
01:26:25,330 --> 01:26:22,400
universes are like this well they're all

2088
01:26:28,060 --> 01:26:25,340
linked together with these flat walls so

2089
01:26:29,830 --> 01:26:28,070
how do you get to another one well is it

2090
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:29,840
necessary to go through a black hole I

2091
01:26:34,600 --> 01:26:32,000
don't think so because black holes are

2092
01:26:36,430 --> 01:26:34,610
actually the result of supermassive

2093
01:26:41,350 --> 01:26:36,440
stars that are undergoing collapse

2094
01:26:44,500 --> 01:26:41,360
either after supernova or during so the

2095
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:44,510
fact is those happen a lot of places all

2096
01:26:48,820 --> 01:26:45,710
over the place and they usually happen

2097
01:26:50,950 --> 01:26:48,830
within galaxies so I don't think they

2098
01:26:55,120 --> 01:26:50,960
could be gateways per se I think they

2099
01:26:56,530 --> 01:26:55,130
are a physical I was gonna say ailment

2100
01:26:57,970 --> 01:26:56,540
but it's not really nail but I think

2101
01:27:00,640 --> 01:26:57,980
they're just a physical property of the

2102
01:27:02,260 --> 01:27:00,650
universe and massive stars but if we

2103
01:27:05,800 --> 01:27:02,270
could get to where the flat facets are

2104
01:27:08,770 --> 01:27:05,810
if it's the soapsuds universes then we

2105
01:27:10,810 --> 01:27:08,780
could probably just go through at that

2106
01:27:12,780 --> 01:27:10,820
point and there was a spot by the way

2107
01:27:16,090 --> 01:27:12,790
and this I'll just say this it's at the

2108
01:27:19,060 --> 01:27:16,100
end with this you know and to end that

2109
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:19,070
that part of the question there's a spot

2110
01:27:22,840 --> 01:27:20,810
in the universe where there was some

2111
01:27:23,649 --> 01:27:22,850
matter that was streaming out of the

2112
01:27:25,720 --> 01:27:23,659
universe and I say

2113
01:27:28,689 --> 01:27:25,730
because we don't know what out means

2114
01:27:31,209 --> 01:27:28,699
here but the manor seemed to be

2115
01:27:33,879 --> 01:27:31,219
streaming someplace that wasn't our

2116
01:27:36,070 --> 01:27:33,889
universe and we don't really know where

2117
01:27:37,979 --> 01:27:36,080
it was going but it wasn't going through

2118
01:27:41,020 --> 01:27:37,989
a black hole it was just streaming and

2119
01:27:43,689 --> 01:27:41,030
so is it possible that if the soapsuds

2120
01:27:46,030 --> 01:27:43,699
theory is correct that maybe the facet

2121
01:27:48,700 --> 01:27:46,040
had a hole in it and stuff was streaming

2122
01:27:49,870 --> 01:27:48,710
from one universe to another why would

2123
01:27:53,020 --> 01:27:49,880
it do that you know what was happening

2124
01:27:55,360 --> 01:27:53,030
so that's that's sort of far-fetched

2125
01:27:56,680 --> 01:27:55,370
there so there's more signs back there

2126
01:27:57,939 --> 01:27:56,690
that indicates maybe that wasn't

2127
01:28:01,390 --> 01:27:57,949
happening but what if we're

2128
01:28:02,649 --> 01:28:01,400
interdimensional well now maybe what

2129
01:28:04,419 --> 01:28:02,659
we're seeing when people see for

2130
01:28:07,300 --> 01:28:04,429
instance ghosts maybe they're actually

2131
01:28:09,970 --> 01:28:07,310
seeing what I've coined to term a

2132
01:28:12,129 --> 01:28:09,980
parallel universe intersect maybe

2133
01:28:15,970 --> 01:28:12,139
they're seeing this this these parallel

2134
01:28:18,129 --> 01:28:15,980
universe creatures or beings in a way

2135
01:28:19,930 --> 01:28:18,139
that makes it look like it's nothing you

2136
01:28:22,899 --> 01:28:19,940
can touch here it's not a tangible item

2137
01:28:25,740 --> 01:28:22,909
here but maybe to that creature and the

2138
01:28:27,820 --> 01:28:25,750
other side of the dimensional universe

2139
01:28:30,160 --> 01:28:27,830
it's we're the ones that are not

2140
01:28:32,800 --> 01:28:30,170
tangible to them so you know I'm not

2141
01:28:34,689 --> 01:28:32,810
sure there's an awful lot of science

2142
01:28:36,580 --> 01:28:34,699
that we do not know and it would

2143
01:28:38,979 --> 01:28:36,590
actually be arrogant of me I think to

2144
01:28:42,220 --> 01:28:38,989
actually try and say that it's one way

2145
01:28:43,660 --> 01:28:42,230
or the other so I just tend to err on

2146
01:28:46,479 --> 01:28:43,670
the side of thinking that black holes

2147
01:28:48,459 --> 01:28:46,489
probably aren't a conduit because they

2148
01:28:51,430 --> 01:28:48,469
seem to be happening all over the place

2149
01:28:53,169 --> 01:28:51,440
and we recognize them as collapsed stars

2150
01:28:58,689 --> 01:28:53,179
and the physics tells us different

2151
01:29:02,649 --> 01:28:58,699
things then then what a conduit to

2152
01:29:05,979 --> 01:29:02,659
another universe might long answer so no

2153
01:29:09,459 --> 01:29:05,989
no no I love long answers and a two-hour

2154
01:29:12,399 --> 01:29:09,469
show so Persian from YouTube wants to

2155
01:29:14,379 --> 01:29:12,409
know what you think of the lunar wave

2156
01:29:17,140 --> 01:29:14,389
anomaly I'm not familiar with what that

2157
01:29:20,260 --> 01:29:17,150
is like I'll tell you what it is um all

2158
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:20,270
right in my view I've I've seen a couple

2159
01:29:25,689 --> 01:29:23,330
of lunar waves and I saw them on peak a

2160
01:29:29,950 --> 01:29:25,699
space imaging as well as other sites and

2161
01:29:31,540 --> 01:29:29,960
here's what happens the lunar wave is

2162
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:31,550
not an indication that the moon's a

2163
01:29:34,899 --> 01:29:33,199
hologram the lunar wave is not an

2164
01:29:36,970 --> 01:29:34,909
indication and I could say this with

2165
01:29:38,140 --> 01:29:36,980
certainty okay the lunar wave is not an

2166
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:38,150
indication

2167
01:29:43,750 --> 01:29:41,330
that there is some kind of strange you

2168
01:29:49,180 --> 01:29:43,760
know NASA kept secret hovering over our

2169
01:29:51,370 --> 01:29:49,190
heads what it really is is a it's the

2170
01:29:54,220 --> 01:29:51,380
effect of a physical atmosphere over our

2171
01:29:56,740 --> 01:29:54,230
head now what do I mean by that well if

2172
01:29:58,330 --> 01:29:56,750
you look online and you say that you

2173
01:29:59,950 --> 01:29:58,340
want to see go to Google and say I want

2174
01:30:02,710 --> 01:29:59,960
to see all the jet traffic currently in

2175
01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:02,720
the air you will find that there are

2176
01:30:07,870 --> 01:30:05,210
tens of thousands of flights in the air

2177
01:30:10,510 --> 01:30:07,880
at any one time right it's amazed and

2178
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:10,520
now what are those do well those will

2179
01:30:15,880 --> 01:30:13,010
actually heat the air all right jet

2180
01:30:18,070 --> 01:30:15,890
exhaust is hot ok and it heats the air

2181
01:30:20,290 --> 01:30:18,080
and by the way jet doesn't always leave

2182
01:30:22,120 --> 01:30:20,300
a contrail okay it leaves a contrail you

2183
01:30:23,650 --> 01:30:22,130
generally above thirty thousand feet but

2184
01:30:27,070 --> 01:30:23,660
below thirty thousand you're not gonna

2185
01:30:29,230 --> 01:30:27,080
really see a contrail okay so when a

2186
01:30:31,450 --> 01:30:29,240
jets taking off or when a jet is it's

2187
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:31,460
climbing it's going through 25,000 it's

2188
01:30:35,560 --> 01:30:33,650
not gonna leave a contrail and as it

2189
01:30:38,950 --> 01:30:35,570
passes through the air it hates the air

2190
01:30:41,230 --> 01:30:38,960
behind it and that error doesn't just

2191
01:30:44,200 --> 01:30:41,240
sit there the air is part of a big

2192
01:30:45,940 --> 01:30:44,210
stratified band of air okay call an air

2193
01:30:48,100 --> 01:30:45,950
column it's actually moving across the

2194
01:30:50,290 --> 01:30:48,110
surface of the earth and so sometimes

2195
01:30:52,750 --> 01:30:50,300
those air columns drift across the face

2196
01:30:54,790 --> 01:30:52,760
of the moon alright and when I say

2197
01:30:57,910 --> 01:30:54,800
column I don't mean jet exhaust column I

2198
01:30:59,740 --> 01:30:57,920
mean giant slabs of air that have a

2199
01:31:02,160 --> 01:30:59,750
heated line of air through them caused

2200
01:31:07,450 --> 01:31:02,170
by the jet now these things will last

2201
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:07,460
anywhere from a few seconds to many many

2202
01:31:12,310 --> 01:31:08,960
minutes and possibly even an hour

2203
01:31:14,590 --> 01:31:12,320
depending on the conditions so as the

2204
01:31:18,250 --> 01:31:14,600
jet goes through the area it could be

2205
01:31:20,230 --> 01:31:18,260
long gone but the remaining warm air and

2206
01:31:22,840 --> 01:31:20,240
it doesn't have to be much warmer okay

2207
01:31:25,600 --> 01:31:22,850
drifts across the moon it stays kind of

2208
01:31:27,370 --> 01:31:25,610
in at that location because it was in an

2209
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:27,380
area of the sky that's sort of still

2210
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:30,170
right and that is to say still relative

2211
01:31:35,080 --> 01:31:32,960
to each other relative to each molecule

2212
01:31:36,580 --> 01:31:35,090
around it the giant slab of air though

2213
01:31:39,010 --> 01:31:36,590
it could be moving it at tens of miles

2214
01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:39,020
an hour like the jet stream the jet

2215
01:31:43,750 --> 01:31:41,500
stream moves at giant you know at that

2216
01:31:45,970 --> 01:31:43,760
sometimes like 80 miles an hour or more

2217
01:31:48,670 --> 01:31:45,980
well guess what if you're in a balloon

2218
01:31:49,900 --> 01:31:48,680
in the jet stream and you leaned over

2219
01:31:51,040 --> 01:31:49,910
the side of the balloon you wouldn't

2220
01:31:54,010 --> 01:31:51,050
feel this blasting win

2221
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,020
in your face okay in fact if you dropped

2222
01:31:59,290 --> 01:31:56,000
something like save drop the piece of

2223
01:32:01,000 --> 01:31:59,300
paper it would flutter down just like it

2224
01:32:03,370 --> 01:32:01,010
does on the ground it would flutter down

2225
01:32:05,080 --> 01:32:03,380
and it wouldn't go whipping away from

2226
01:32:07,600 --> 01:32:05,090
you at high speed it's because you're

2227
01:32:10,960 --> 01:32:07,610
all moving at that same 80 miles an hour

2228
01:32:14,350 --> 01:32:10,970
so tip the rest of the world that paper

2229
01:32:16,210 --> 01:32:14,360
is gonna fall just gently so if you can

2230
01:32:18,790 --> 01:32:16,220
think about it that way and think about

2231
01:32:21,430 --> 01:32:18,800
these contrails as or these these heated

2232
01:32:23,590 --> 01:32:21,440
jet exhaust pathways as an area in the

2233
01:32:25,600 --> 01:32:23,600
sky that's actually gonna stay fairly

2234
01:32:27,820 --> 01:32:25,610
cohesive for a little while until it

2235
01:32:29,290 --> 01:32:27,830
cools all right then you're gonna find

2236
01:32:31,330 --> 01:32:29,300
that you'll see this this line drift

2237
01:32:33,730 --> 01:32:31,340
right across the moon and I've seen that

2238
01:32:35,530 --> 01:32:33,740
like I said a couple times and one time

2239
01:32:38,770 --> 01:32:35,540
on peak a space imaging where Paul and

2240
01:32:40,420 --> 01:32:38,780
Keith were doing their magic you know

2241
01:32:42,580 --> 01:32:40,430
Paul in Miami Keith on it in

2242
01:32:43,840 --> 01:32:42,590
Pennsylvania so when they were doing

2243
01:32:46,300 --> 01:32:43,850
their magic it was actually really

2244
01:32:49,150 --> 01:32:46,310
really interesting to see this and again

2245
01:32:53,230 --> 01:32:49,160
this is just a physiological artifact

2246
01:32:56,500 --> 01:32:53,240
created by aircraft creating warm lines

2247
01:32:58,210 --> 01:32:56,510
of air that then drift across in a

2248
01:33:00,880 --> 01:32:58,220
cohesive manner and they're not uncommon

2249
01:33:03,040 --> 01:33:00,890
actually it's just uncommon to pass the

2250
01:33:05,290 --> 01:33:03,050
moon isn't that something I never even

2251
01:33:07,120 --> 01:33:05,300
knew of that or heard of that we do have

2252
01:33:10,720 --> 01:33:07,130
a caller on the line caller your first

2253
01:33:12,280 --> 01:33:10,730
name and where are you calling from now

2254
01:33:15,010 --> 01:33:12,290
this is Malcolm from the mighty

2255
01:33:16,540 --> 01:33:15,020
metropolis of other grid of Florida all

2256
01:33:18,610 --> 01:33:16,550
right thank you for your patience for

2257
01:33:22,720 --> 01:33:18,620
hanging in there you have a question for

2258
01:33:26,290 --> 01:33:22,730
mark well I noticed he's got quite a

2259
01:33:29,590 --> 01:33:26,300
career his work in special effects and

2260
01:33:34,090 --> 01:33:29,600
everything I wonder if we could change

2261
01:33:38,410 --> 01:33:34,100
the conversation a little bit I don't

2262
01:33:41,190 --> 01:33:38,420
know why people haven't pursued

2263
01:33:44,290 --> 01:33:41,200
communication with the marine mammals

2264
01:33:49,720 --> 01:33:44,300
too to understand other intelligences

2265
01:33:52,270 --> 01:33:49,730
better I can I can actually speak to

2266
01:33:53,530 --> 01:33:52,280
that because for a period of time I was

2267
01:33:56,230 --> 01:33:53,540
debating whether I was gonna get a

2268
01:33:58,270 --> 01:33:56,240
degree in oceanography or instructor

2269
01:34:01,660 --> 01:33:58,280
yeah I was either gonna go in a space or

2270
01:34:04,750 --> 01:34:01,670
outer space and I chose I chose outer

2271
01:34:05,890 --> 01:34:04,760
space I think primarily because

2272
01:34:07,600 --> 01:34:05,900
you know the thought of being on the

2273
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:07,610
ocean I get seasick and I knew I'd have

2274
01:34:10,990 --> 01:34:08,930
to spend a lot of time on ocean-going

2275
01:34:12,550 --> 01:34:11,000
vessels and doing research and I was

2276
01:34:14,250 --> 01:34:12,560
afraid that I would get embarrassingly

2277
01:34:16,480 --> 01:34:14,260
seasick

2278
01:34:19,120 --> 01:34:16,490
frankly it's a real stupid reason but

2279
01:34:21,760 --> 01:34:19,130
that's actually the truth I was actually

2280
01:34:23,980 --> 01:34:21,770
very interested in dolphin communication

2281
01:34:26,530 --> 01:34:23,990
in particular because dolphins have a

2282
01:34:28,090 --> 01:34:26,540
way of communicating and you know when

2283
01:34:29,680 --> 01:34:28,100
you look at the size of a dolphin brain

2284
01:34:31,330 --> 01:34:29,690
you say oh well it's almost the size of

2285
01:34:35,230 --> 01:34:31,340
the human brain are they just as smart

2286
01:34:36,640 --> 01:34:35,240
as water going yeah yeah it's almost the

2287
01:34:38,920 --> 01:34:36,650
same size as ours right but you're right

2288
01:34:40,780 --> 01:34:38,930
it's a little bit larger but see it also

2289
01:34:43,240 --> 01:34:40,790
has specialized organs in it for sonar

2290
01:34:58,660 --> 01:34:43,250
and stuff as well that are operating now

2291
01:35:01,630 --> 01:34:58,670
so that's a little bit of a reason where

2292
01:35:07,600 --> 01:35:01,640
there are there emotions but sort of

2293
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:07,610
integrated integrated with their their

2294
01:35:14,370 --> 01:35:12,050
body or something I ya know III know

2295
01:35:16,630 --> 01:35:14,380
what you're talking about and basically

2296
01:35:19,600 --> 01:35:16,640
the evolution of the dolphin is very

2297
01:35:21,580 --> 01:35:19,610
different from ours they may have brains

2298
01:35:24,190 --> 01:35:21,590
that are like me like I said nearly our

2299
01:35:26,620 --> 01:35:24,200
size a little bigger if you say but the

2300
01:35:29,200 --> 01:35:26,630
bottom line is that they didn't have the

2301
01:35:31,990 --> 01:35:29,210
environmental pressures to do what we

2302
01:35:34,180 --> 01:35:32,000
had to do we had to leave the water and

2303
01:35:36,160 --> 01:35:34,190
when we left the water we had to take

2304
01:35:38,200 --> 01:35:36,170
the ocean with us that's why you're

2305
01:35:48,780 --> 01:35:38,210
salty inside that's why your skin is

2306
01:35:53,200 --> 01:35:50,920
well they actually had their their

2307
01:35:56,740 --> 01:35:53,210
forward flippers do have what looked

2308
01:35:59,470 --> 01:35:56,750
very much like the the the metatarsals

2309
01:36:01,720 --> 01:35:59,480
of a of a land mammal that's great but I

2310
01:36:04,870 --> 01:36:01,730
was talking about humans at that point

2311
01:36:08,050 --> 01:36:04,880
oh I wonder done the the dolphin

2312
01:36:09,310 --> 01:36:08,060
evolution path at this point but but cuz

2313
01:36:11,110 --> 01:36:09,320
that's not the dolphin I think is the

2314
01:36:13,690 --> 01:36:11,120
one we need to look at there's another

2315
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:13,700
animal in the ocean which is I think far

2316
01:36:18,730 --> 01:36:15,890
more intelligent and has a capability of

2317
01:36:21,280 --> 01:36:18,740
doing very very

2318
01:36:22,180 --> 01:36:21,290
powerful reasoning and that's the

2319
01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:22,190
octopus

2320
01:36:31,060 --> 01:36:26,800
intelligent animal in the entire ocean

2321
01:36:33,730 --> 01:36:31,070
and I've watched a number of tests done

2322
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:33,740
with octopi and these things these

2323
01:36:39,160 --> 01:36:37,010
things reason out you know they're not

2324
01:36:41,110 --> 01:36:39,170
fooled by a glass wall they know what

2325
01:36:43,660 --> 01:36:41,120
the glass wall is and here's the other

2326
01:36:45,550 --> 01:36:43,670
thing that happens an octopus that goes

2327
01:36:48,550 --> 01:36:45,560
through this maze of tubes and finally

2328
01:36:51,340 --> 01:36:48,560
gets his way out into the main tank the

2329
01:36:53,980 --> 01:36:51,350
next octopus that follows him he goes

2330
01:36:56,230 --> 01:36:53,990
through the exact path without retracing

2331
01:36:57,610 --> 01:36:56,240
any steps without losing it if the first

2332
01:36:59,290 --> 01:36:57,620
one gets through then the second one

2333
01:37:01,840 --> 01:36:59,300
gets through the first one takes for say

2334
01:37:03,220 --> 01:37:01,850
30 minutes 40 minutes to actually figure

2335
01:37:04,590 --> 01:37:03,230
out goes through all the dead ends then

2336
01:37:07,810 --> 01:37:04,600
finally he goes through the right path

2337
01:37:10,450 --> 01:37:07,820
the second one is watching he goes right

2338
01:37:13,270 --> 01:37:10,460
out the correct path there's something

2339
01:37:15,010 --> 01:37:13,280
to that now here's the thing the octopus

2340
01:37:18,250 --> 01:37:15,020
doesn't know he's on the right path

2341
01:37:21,550 --> 01:37:18,260
until he gets out so he can't be leaving

2342
01:37:23,260 --> 01:37:21,560
any kind of biological tracers behind to

2343
01:37:24,820 --> 01:37:23,270
say oh this is the right path okay

2344
01:37:26,350 --> 01:37:24,830
because of the fact that he doesn't know

2345
01:37:28,870 --> 01:37:26,360
he's gonna get out until he actually

2346
01:37:30,220 --> 01:37:28,880
gets out the second one says oh I know

2347
01:37:30,580 --> 01:37:30,230
where you're going I'll be right behind

2348
01:37:34,120 --> 01:37:30,590
you

2349
01:37:35,740 --> 01:37:34,130
this is very much like like humans do we

2350
01:37:39,280 --> 01:37:35,750
watched someone do a task and we can

2351
01:37:41,320 --> 01:37:39,290
repeat that task pretty much now that so

2352
01:37:45,670 --> 01:37:41,330
the octopus is very very intelligent and

2353
01:37:47,170 --> 01:37:45,680
I if there was ever an alien animal I'm

2354
01:37:48,820 --> 01:37:47,180
not trying to say it was if there was

2355
01:37:51,520 --> 01:37:48,830
ever an animal delivered to this planet

2356
01:37:55,690 --> 01:37:51,530
of an alien nature it's probably the

2357
01:37:57,910 --> 01:37:55,700
octopus interesting hey yeah I've heard

2358
01:38:00,730 --> 01:37:57,920
I've heard about that and you can trace

2359
01:38:03,820 --> 01:38:00,740
a cephalopod evolution I guess back to

2360
01:38:05,800 --> 01:38:03,830
the Nautilus and that's the most

2361
01:38:07,900 --> 01:38:05,810
primitive and then it did taste asleep

2362
01:38:09,400 --> 01:38:07,910
somewhere and you come up with the

2363
01:38:11,260 --> 01:38:09,410
octopus which is a much more

2364
01:38:12,730 --> 01:38:11,270
sophisticated creature very

2365
01:38:14,320 --> 01:38:12,740
sophisticated you know the

2366
01:38:16,690 --> 01:38:14,330
chromatophores the way it changes color

2367
01:38:20,130 --> 01:38:16,700
can blend with its surroundings this

2368
01:38:22,960 --> 01:38:20,140
that that entire process says I

2369
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:22,970
understand my environment I understand

2370
01:38:26,170 --> 01:38:24,290
my environment better than the other

2371
01:38:28,840 --> 01:38:26,180
creatures around me that might want to

2372
01:38:31,750 --> 01:38:28,850
eat me and I'm gonna change how I look

2373
01:38:32,660 --> 01:38:31,760
to blend in that's there's a conscious

2374
01:38:35,870 --> 01:38:32,670
reasoning going

2375
01:38:37,730 --> 01:38:35,880
there and and that's the thing that I'm

2376
01:38:38,930 --> 01:38:37,740
just so amazed with with those but

2377
01:38:40,870 --> 01:38:38,940
anyway I don't want to digress and go

2378
01:38:44,240 --> 01:38:40,880
down that path obviously we're talking

2379
01:38:49,790 --> 01:38:44,250
about space junk and the Chang lander

2380
01:38:53,570 --> 01:38:49,800
and so forth on money with the thought

2381
01:38:55,460 --> 01:38:53,580
that in in human beings and in dolphins

2382
01:39:00,980 --> 01:38:55,470
there has been a case of convergent

2383
01:39:03,860 --> 01:39:00,990
evolution regarding their emotions yes

2384
01:39:05,870 --> 01:39:03,870
yes I know that the animals can because

2385
01:39:07,850 --> 01:39:05,880
they show that even though dolphins are

2386
01:39:13,910 --> 01:39:07,860
physically very very different from us

2387
01:39:20,800 --> 01:39:13,920
yeah they've evolved the ability to make

2388
01:39:26,870 --> 01:39:24,260
well we don't know that we don't know

2389
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:26,880
actually the octopus is a different a

2390
01:39:32,540 --> 01:39:29,850
different worker it's a different type

2391
01:39:36,290 --> 01:39:32,550
of being it's a it solves problems that

2392
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:36,300
dolphins could never solve for instance

2393
01:39:39,680 --> 01:39:38,010
if a dolphin was so smart why would it

2394
01:39:41,930 --> 01:39:39,690
let us strap bombs to it to become a

2395
01:39:45,040 --> 01:39:41,940
bomb carrying dolphin I mean you know

2396
01:39:47,540 --> 01:39:45,050
I've never done that well there was a

2397
01:39:51,470 --> 01:39:47,550
never done though they've never blown

2398
01:39:53,210 --> 01:39:51,480
them but they did they did experiment

2399
01:39:56,240 --> 01:39:53,220
with training dolphins to deliver

2400
01:39:59,240 --> 01:39:56,250
ordnance the Dolphins proved too

2401
01:40:00,740 --> 01:39:59,250
unreliable yes that's correct

2402
01:40:07,430 --> 01:40:00,750
all right well a little way off topic

2403
01:40:08,690 --> 01:40:07,440
here so I know yeah but all right thank

2404
01:40:11,600 --> 01:40:08,700
you the call thank you the question was

2405
01:40:14,510 --> 01:40:11,610
great all right and so that line is open

2406
01:40:16,460 --> 01:40:14,520
if anyone else wants to give a call in

2407
01:40:24,470 --> 01:40:16,470
that's up in live only during the show

2408
01:40:27,050 --> 01:40:24,480
603 967 403 oh and so we do have a bunch

2409
01:40:31,010 --> 01:40:27,060
of questions that came in and I do want

2410
01:40:34,850 --> 01:40:31,020
to thank Amanda once again for her good

2411
01:40:37,160 --> 01:40:34,860
work here and lo a I mean she will I

2412
01:40:38,810 --> 01:40:37,170
mean you should hire that girl still

2413
01:40:41,600 --> 01:40:38,820
give you every question you so keep your

2414
01:40:43,430 --> 01:40:41,610
show going man yeah if you're a short

2415
01:40:44,690 --> 01:40:43,440
night man she'd figure it out she's good

2416
01:40:46,610 --> 01:40:44,700
good to know

2417
01:40:48,950 --> 01:40:46,620
Leslie on YouTube once

2418
01:40:51,140 --> 01:40:48,960
to know if you can comment on this

2419
01:40:55,670 --> 01:40:51,150
sensationalized coverage of the

2420
01:40:57,140 --> 01:40:55,680
near-earth asteroid passes oh you know

2421
01:40:59,810 --> 01:40:57,150
that's that's a really good question

2422
01:41:04,970 --> 01:40:59,820
because on our planet we have a number

2423
01:41:06,860 --> 01:41:04,980
of of near-earth asteroids and here's

2424
01:41:10,100 --> 01:41:06,870
the thing little by little we're

2425
01:41:12,410 --> 01:41:10,110
actually removing great many of these

2426
01:41:14,000 --> 01:41:12,420
from the list because there were some

2427
01:41:16,430 --> 01:41:14,010
that were considered dangerous there was

2428
01:41:20,600 --> 01:41:16,440
some that were you know considered very

2429
01:41:24,140 --> 01:41:20,610
very potential threats to us well the

2430
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:24,150
fact of the matter is these objects once

2431
01:41:28,250 --> 01:41:26,130
their their orbits were recalculated

2432
01:41:30,770 --> 01:41:28,260
many of these objects were found to be

2433
01:41:33,710 --> 01:41:30,780
less of a threat to us and they were

2434
01:41:36,530 --> 01:41:33,720
thus removed from the shortlist you know

2435
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:36,540
but it doesn't leave out rogues and

2436
01:41:43,130 --> 01:41:38,610
things that can show up unexpectedly

2437
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:43,140
like Omaha MOA right Oh wha was 700 feet

2438
01:41:47,300 --> 01:41:45,570
long 70 feet wide roughly and and it

2439
01:41:49,190 --> 01:41:47,310
came whipping through here at eighty six

2440
01:41:50,990 --> 01:41:49,200
thousand miles a while left at eighty

2441
01:41:52,130 --> 01:41:51,000
six thousand miles an hour and came

2442
01:41:53,930 --> 01:41:52,140
through here and over a hundred and

2443
01:41:56,660 --> 01:41:53,940
fifty thousand miles an hour but the

2444
01:42:01,130 --> 01:41:56,670
bottom line is this is something that we

2445
01:42:03,890 --> 01:42:01,140
had no knowledge of ahead of time so you

2446
01:42:05,300 --> 01:42:03,900
know and I gotta say you know the near

2447
01:42:07,430 --> 01:42:05,310
project actually is really near and dear

2448
01:42:09,650 --> 01:42:07,440
to me I don't mean that in the funny

2449
01:42:11,960 --> 01:42:09,660
term but there was a scientist on that

2450
01:42:16,190 --> 01:42:11,970
project by the name of Mary Ellen Murphy

2451
01:42:19,220 --> 01:42:16,200
and Mary Ellen Murphy was a chemist and

2452
01:42:23,270 --> 01:42:19,230
she was assigned to a study some of

2453
01:42:25,300 --> 01:42:23,280
these near Earth asteroids and when when

2454
01:42:28,480 --> 01:42:25,310
the project came to an end she of course

2455
01:42:33,620 --> 01:42:28,490
had a very fruitful role in that project

2456
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:33,630
landing on of course eros and then along

2457
01:42:37,580 --> 01:42:36,090
comes the osiris-rex program this is

2458
01:42:39,950 --> 01:42:37,590
another program that she wasn't part of

2459
01:42:43,520 --> 01:42:39,960
that program but she had passed away a

2460
01:42:48,110 --> 01:42:43,530
couple years ago and when osiris-rex was

2461
01:42:50,870 --> 01:42:48,120
doing a call for you know remembrances

2462
01:42:53,390 --> 01:42:50,880
of past scientists and people of

2463
01:42:55,910 --> 01:42:53,400
importance I included Mary Ellen Murphy

2464
01:42:57,470 --> 01:42:55,920
in that list and I sent that to them

2465
01:42:59,000 --> 01:42:57,480
innate and so now there's actually a

2466
01:42:59,900 --> 01:42:59,010
little microchip with Mary Ellen Murphy

2467
01:43:02,450 --> 01:42:59,910
with an

2468
01:43:04,010 --> 01:43:02,460
image of her smiling circling the Sun

2469
01:43:06,200 --> 01:43:04,020
and will be there for billions of years

2470
01:43:09,440 --> 01:43:06,210
yeah it's sort of a little aside I mean

2471
01:43:12,800 --> 01:43:09,450
it that's pretty yeah again before we

2472
01:43:14,480 --> 01:43:12,810
get too far away from the mo mo that

2473
01:43:18,020 --> 01:43:14,490
what do you think about the Harvard's

2474
01:43:20,840 --> 01:43:18,030
paper on that the possibility of that

2475
01:43:24,200 --> 01:43:20,850
you know could have been an alien probe

2476
01:43:26,360 --> 01:43:24,210
yeah I think that that that that was

2477
01:43:29,900 --> 01:43:26,370
truly an open-minded statement to make

2478
01:43:32,750 --> 01:43:29,910
right because the fact is in all

2479
01:43:34,550 --> 01:43:32,760
likelihood it was just a rogue that got

2480
01:43:37,610 --> 01:43:34,560
loose from its original solar system a

2481
01:43:41,300 --> 01:43:37,620
ejected from its solar system but it was

2482
01:43:43,760 --> 01:43:41,310
actually a very spindly object something

2483
01:43:45,260 --> 01:43:43,770
we don't have anything like in our solar

2484
01:43:47,720 --> 01:43:45,270
system it doesn't make sense that

2485
01:43:49,310 --> 01:43:47,730
something could be created like that

2486
01:43:52,340 --> 01:43:49,320
you know I mean usually things are

2487
01:43:55,700 --> 01:43:52,350
globular or more globular than others I

2488
01:43:58,190 --> 01:43:55,710
mean then other shapes right you know

2489
01:43:59,570 --> 01:43:58,200
just by gravity a force of gravity it's

2490
01:44:01,720 --> 01:43:59,580
right it's right and beyond a certain

2491
01:44:04,430 --> 01:44:01,730
shape beyond a certain size rather mass

2492
01:44:07,430 --> 01:44:04,440
especially ten objects tend to be

2493
01:44:09,500 --> 01:44:07,440
spherical so in a muumuus case it wasn't

2494
01:44:11,990 --> 01:44:09,510
that way so there was a thought that

2495
01:44:13,820 --> 01:44:12,000
said well look because we don't get

2496
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:13,830
spherical ah it's not a spherical object

2497
01:44:20,690 --> 01:44:17,570
could it have been an alien probe just

2498
01:44:24,620 --> 01:44:20,700
defunct after many millennia actually

2499
01:44:25,400 --> 01:44:24,630
millions of years of disuse and you know

2500
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:25,410
the answer

2501
01:44:29,840 --> 01:44:27,330
we won't know because of course a mullah

2502
01:44:31,660 --> 01:44:29,850
is you know more and more gone you know

2503
01:44:34,600 --> 01:44:31,670
more gone you know it's it's actually

2504
01:44:37,550 --> 01:44:34,610
just disappeared but you know how

2505
01:44:41,540 --> 01:44:37,560
heading out toward the constellation

2506
01:44:43,820 --> 01:44:41,550
Pegasus right now but you know it could

2507
01:44:45,770 --> 01:44:43,830
have been maybe I mean I can't say no

2508
01:44:48,680 --> 01:44:45,780
I'd be arrogant to say you know yeah it

2509
01:44:50,690 --> 01:44:48,690
couldn't be a probe I mean science has

2510
01:44:53,600 --> 01:44:50,700
tended to have a closed mind at time but

2511
01:44:56,120 --> 01:44:53,610
you know I I'm tending to just stay open

2512
01:44:57,560 --> 01:44:56,130
to the possibilities but not be married

2513
01:45:00,560 --> 01:44:57,570
to any one of them I think that you know

2514
01:45:02,570 --> 01:45:00,570
it just it it merits investigation right

2515
01:45:04,250 --> 01:45:02,580
we do have a caller on the line caller

2516
01:45:08,510 --> 01:45:04,260
your first name and where are you

2517
01:45:11,170 --> 01:45:08,520
calling from hello Martin and Marcus

2518
01:45:13,939 --> 01:45:11,180
Ronald from Minnesota hey Ronald

2519
01:45:16,070 --> 01:45:13,949
welcome to the day and a question

2520
01:45:18,439 --> 01:45:16,080
thank you and thank you Mark V nagesh

2521
01:45:21,650 --> 01:45:18,449
really a great treat to have you on and

2522
01:45:25,550 --> 01:45:21,660
with with Martin and have young the

2523
01:45:30,110 --> 01:45:25,560
whole hour my question is something

2524
01:45:33,680 --> 01:45:30,120
about visually seeing something that you

2525
01:45:36,740 --> 01:45:33,690
never seen for instance I don't believe

2526
01:45:39,229 --> 01:45:36,750
that UFOs are not there I believe

2527
01:45:42,740 --> 01:45:39,239
musicals are real but I have not seen

2528
01:45:46,130 --> 01:45:42,750
one yet so how do I convince myself that

2529
01:45:48,439 --> 01:45:46,140
UFOs are real or aliens or anything that

2530
01:45:51,740 --> 01:45:48,449
we are talking about on on the

2531
01:45:54,669 --> 01:45:51,750
paranormal Channel - gary radio and

2532
01:45:57,950 --> 01:45:54,679
other other youtube stuff how do we

2533
01:46:01,910 --> 01:45:57,960
evaluate something that is real that we

2534
01:46:03,650 --> 01:46:01,920
have never seen in reality that might be

2535
01:46:06,439 --> 01:46:03,660
a good way to put it maybe rephrase that

2536
01:46:09,560 --> 01:46:06,449
I don't know Ronald that's an excellent

2537
01:46:12,260 --> 01:46:09,570
question and I do have an opinion it's

2538
01:46:15,110 --> 01:46:12,270
not necessarily a right opinion but it

2539
01:46:17,209 --> 01:46:15,120
is a thought my thought is that when we

2540
01:46:18,919 --> 01:46:17,219
look at how many planets have been found

2541
01:46:20,689 --> 01:46:18,929
and you know there's some people say oh

2542
01:46:22,310 --> 01:46:20,699
you can't talk about all the planets and

2543
01:46:25,490 --> 01:46:22,320
finally say statistically bla bla bla

2544
01:46:27,439 --> 01:46:25,500
bla you know but actually you can uh if

2545
01:46:29,270 --> 01:46:27,449
you look at the fact that there's a lot

2546
01:46:33,770 --> 01:46:29,280
of things going in the direction toward

2547
01:46:35,479 --> 01:46:33,780
life all right yes the universe is out

2548
01:46:38,570 --> 01:46:35,489
to kill us it is there's a lot of

2549
01:46:40,550 --> 01:46:38,580
reasons why we'll die very quickly the

2550
01:46:42,229 --> 01:46:40,560
earth but given what we have here on the

2551
01:46:44,570 --> 01:46:42,239
earth with the ultraviolet shield

2552
01:46:46,070 --> 01:46:44,580
prevent provided by our atmosphere with

2553
01:46:48,860 --> 01:46:46,080
a magnetic field which provides the

2554
01:46:51,350 --> 01:46:48,870
ability to maintain an atmosphere we're

2555
01:46:53,630 --> 01:46:51,360
not the only planet that has that and I

2556
01:46:56,180 --> 01:46:53,640
guarantee you that that means that based

2557
01:46:59,060 --> 01:46:56,190
on the fact that life started here by

2558
01:47:02,689 --> 01:46:59,070
itself we did not create it we didn't

2559
01:47:04,700 --> 01:47:02,699
have a role in that okay it happened and

2560
01:47:06,830 --> 01:47:04,710
and the miller-urey experiment in the

2561
01:47:09,439 --> 01:47:06,840
early 50s showed that the building

2562
01:47:12,650 --> 01:47:09,449
blocks of life amino acids were created

2563
01:47:15,110 --> 01:47:12,660
just by bombarding well we thought was a

2564
01:47:17,720 --> 01:47:15,120
primordial atmosphere in a flask with

2565
01:47:19,729 --> 01:47:17,730
lightning and having water you know

2566
01:47:21,500 --> 01:47:19,739
having a water cycle in there and and we

2567
01:47:24,560 --> 01:47:21,510
saw the building blocks of life form and

2568
01:47:26,450 --> 01:47:24,570
after a week they saw a whole number of

2569
01:47:27,240 --> 01:47:26,460
amino acids and then 50 years later they

2570
01:47:29,250 --> 01:47:27,250
reviewed those

2571
01:47:31,710 --> 01:47:29,260
files and those vials from that

2572
01:47:33,390 --> 01:47:31,720
experiment there were 22 more amino

2573
01:47:36,570 --> 01:47:33,400
acids that were undetected at the time

2574
01:47:38,160 --> 01:47:36,580
so what I'm getting at is the planet

2575
01:47:38,790 --> 01:47:38,170
makes the building blocks of life all by

2576
01:47:40,620 --> 01:47:38,800
itself

2577
01:47:42,630 --> 01:47:40,630
comets deliver the building blocks of

2578
01:47:45,120 --> 01:47:42,640
life you know without any influence from

2579
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:45,130
us asteroids deliver a lot of water and

2580
01:47:49,320 --> 01:47:47,770
building blocks of life and meteors do

2581
01:47:52,260 --> 01:47:49,330
the same wait the Murchison meteorite

2582
01:47:55,320 --> 01:47:52,270
when that landed here that actually was

2583
01:47:57,530 --> 01:47:55,330
loaded with amino acids so you know if

2584
01:48:00,150 --> 01:47:57,540
you look at it from that perspective

2585
01:48:02,460 --> 01:48:00,160
this isn't unique to our solar system

2586
01:48:04,770 --> 01:48:02,470
this is probably and I can't say for

2587
01:48:07,920 --> 01:48:04,780
sure but this is probably something

2588
01:48:10,140 --> 01:48:07,930
that's been repeated elsewhere for a lot

2589
01:48:12,390 --> 01:48:10,150
of different systems therefore the

2590
01:48:14,370 --> 01:48:12,400
opportunity that life could arise

2591
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:14,380
carbon-based life even life that's

2592
01:48:17,010 --> 01:48:15,610
carbon-based let's not even go to

2593
01:48:19,950 --> 01:48:17,020
silicon-based life and everything let's

2594
01:48:21,930 --> 01:48:19,960
just say carbon carbon-based life could

2595
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:21,940
very well arisen

2596
01:48:26,490 --> 01:48:24,850
you know elsewhere I believe it I think

2597
01:48:28,410 --> 01:48:26,500
there might be life on the Europa's ice

2598
01:48:30,750 --> 01:48:28,420
man ice mantle that icy mantle of Europe

2599
01:48:32,820 --> 01:48:30,760
it has a 90 mile an hour 60 to 90 mile

2600
01:48:36,240 --> 01:48:32,830
deep ocean underneath that ice it's

2601
01:48:39,150 --> 01:48:36,250
possible that ice that is hiding life

2602
01:48:40,830 --> 01:48:39,160
underneath microbial no doubt same thing

2603
01:48:43,080 --> 01:48:40,840
with little Enceladus it's only 300

2604
01:48:45,680 --> 01:48:43,090
miles across that's Saturn's moon okay

2605
01:48:48,120 --> 01:48:45,690
and you know Europa's Jupiter's um

2606
01:48:49,920 --> 01:48:48,130
Enceladus is only three miles across and

2607
01:48:51,930 --> 01:48:49,930
it has these what we think are hot

2608
01:48:54,030 --> 01:48:51,940
smoking vents like we see in the floor

2609
01:48:56,040 --> 01:48:54,040
of the Pacific and Atlantic oceans these

2610
01:48:59,490 --> 01:48:56,050
black chimneys that are spewing mineral

2611
01:49:02,210 --> 01:48:59,500
lead in water that bacteria love okay so

2612
01:49:04,800 --> 01:49:02,220
that begets another form of life that

2613
01:49:07,590 --> 01:49:04,810
feeds on the bacteria and then those

2614
01:49:11,010 --> 01:49:07,600
feeders get fed upon themselves etc etc

2615
01:49:13,470 --> 01:49:11,020
is it possible yeah it happened here it

2616
01:49:15,900 --> 01:49:13,480
happened here and the life here at the

2617
01:49:18,060 --> 01:49:15,910
ocean vents is chemosynthetic not

2618
01:49:18,930 --> 01:49:18,070
photosynthetic you know photosynthetic

2619
01:49:21,300 --> 01:49:18,940
like plants

2620
01:49:24,090 --> 01:49:21,310
this is chemosynthetic chemosynthetic

2621
01:49:25,620 --> 01:49:24,100
based life it's an entire oasis on the

2622
01:49:26,880 --> 01:49:25,630
bottom of the oceans where this is

2623
01:49:29,610 --> 01:49:26,890
happening where there's never any light

2624
01:49:33,570 --> 01:49:29,620
so could that happen in Europa yes could

2625
01:49:36,090 --> 01:49:33,580
happen and Enceladus sure why not we

2626
01:49:39,270 --> 01:49:36,100
don't know yeah so that said I think

2627
01:49:40,950 --> 01:49:39,280
that there is a possibility that life

2628
01:49:43,200 --> 01:49:40,960
and and this is my

2629
01:49:46,470 --> 01:49:43,210
it's my favorite my favorite line from

2630
01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:46,480
Jurassic Park Jeff Goldblum okay he says

2631
01:49:51,720 --> 01:49:48,970
you know life life will find a way

2632
01:49:54,270 --> 01:49:51,730
you know life finds a way you know and I

2633
01:49:57,060 --> 01:49:54,280
think that that's very true I say that

2634
01:50:00,510 --> 01:49:57,070
often okay because I really do you know

2635
01:50:02,760 --> 01:50:00,520
yeah he played Ian Malcolm in that movie

2636
01:50:04,670 --> 01:50:02,770
yeah and great yeah it was really good I

2637
01:50:06,900 --> 01:50:04,680
kind of liked that he was the cautionary

2638
01:50:11,010 --> 01:50:06,910
scientist there and he would say and he

2639
01:50:13,230 --> 01:50:11,020
said um life life finds a way you know

2640
01:50:16,100 --> 01:50:13,240
and nobody else believes him when in

2641
01:50:19,260 --> 01:50:16,110
fact life does find a way so you know

2642
01:50:22,370 --> 01:50:19,270
yes that's fiction but the fact is what

2643
01:50:25,050 --> 01:50:22,380
he's saying is something that's it's not

2644
01:50:28,800 --> 01:50:25,060
based on fantasy it's actually based on

2645
01:50:33,810 --> 01:50:28,810
factual base okay like for instance when

2646
01:50:35,280 --> 01:50:33,820
96% of the species and and so forth on

2647
01:50:38,490 --> 01:50:35,290
this planet were destroyed in the

2648
01:50:41,190 --> 01:50:38,500
Permian era why should anything have

2649
01:50:43,860 --> 01:50:41,200
come back you know that that little 4%

2650
01:50:45,780 --> 01:50:43,870
was enough to actually put diversity out

2651
01:50:47,310 --> 01:50:45,790
there of that of such magnitude that we

2652
01:50:52,920 --> 01:50:47,320
have what we have now hundreds of

2653
01:50:55,080 --> 01:50:52,930
millions of species alive now see so and

2654
01:50:57,200 --> 01:50:55,090
here's another thing to Ronald when you

2655
01:50:59,400 --> 01:50:57,210
look at every life form on this planet

2656
01:51:01,400 --> 01:50:59,410
every single one of these that are

2657
01:51:03,720 --> 01:51:01,410
beyond multi just just single cells

2658
01:51:06,660 --> 01:51:03,730
every single one of these higher life

2659
01:51:08,100 --> 01:51:06,670
forms is bilaterally symmetric what's I

2660
01:51:10,170 --> 01:51:08,110
mean it means that they're the same on

2661
01:51:10,620 --> 01:51:10,180
the left side and the right side wait a

2662
01:51:12,060 --> 01:51:10,630
minute

2663
01:51:14,010 --> 01:51:12,070
that's symmetry where does that come

2664
01:51:16,170 --> 01:51:14,020
from and why don't we have like I've

2665
01:51:17,850 --> 01:51:16,180
said before pogo stick cows bouncing

2666
01:51:23,150 --> 01:51:17,860
around in the pastures why don't we have

2667
01:51:25,620 --> 01:51:23,160
one like creatures okay good right so

2668
01:51:27,900 --> 01:51:25,630
yes this is a template see this is a

2669
01:51:32,520 --> 01:51:27,910
template the universe provides for life

2670
01:51:34,860 --> 01:51:32,530
based on that ubiquitous element no well

2671
01:51:38,370 --> 01:51:34,870
I can tell you something we find it

2672
01:51:41,430 --> 01:51:38,380
everywhere Mars carbon I am I just want

2673
01:51:43,140 --> 01:51:41,440
to say thank you and I always learn when

2674
01:51:44,970 --> 01:51:43,150
you're talking I don't know if I

2675
01:51:47,250 --> 01:51:44,980
understand everything but I learned

2676
01:51:49,470 --> 01:51:47,260
that's the key part we only have about

2677
01:51:51,240 --> 01:51:49,480
three minutes left but I would like to

2678
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:51,250
address thank you yeah wait a minute I'd

2679
01:51:54,000 --> 01:51:52,480
like to address part of your question

2680
01:51:54,840 --> 01:51:54,010
that really didn't get answered you say

2681
01:52:00,240 --> 01:51:54,850
why

2682
01:52:01,980 --> 01:52:00,250
seriously and I think that was also a

2683
01:52:04,500 --> 01:52:01,990
good question and it's kind of along the

2684
01:52:08,130 --> 01:52:04,510
same line there's so much of science so

2685
01:52:10,980 --> 01:52:08,140
much of astronomy that is observational

2686
01:52:17,130 --> 01:52:10,990
all of almost all of astronomy is

2687
01:52:18,660 --> 01:52:17,140
observational but but I don't know if

2688
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:18,670
you want to address that mark but I mean

2689
01:52:24,120 --> 01:52:20,650
it's just that yes if there's so many

2690
01:52:25,620 --> 01:52:24,130
people that have seen something and

2691
01:52:28,650 --> 01:52:25,630
there's you know there's trace evidence

2692
01:52:30,300 --> 01:52:28,660
- I think I think I was actually go

2693
01:52:31,500 --> 01:52:30,310
ahead martinet I'm sorry I don't even

2694
01:52:34,080 --> 01:52:31,510
but I know you only have a couple

2695
01:52:35,310 --> 01:52:34,090
minutes left so one yeah say I I was

2696
01:52:37,410 --> 01:52:35,320
addressing it but I didn't actually

2697
01:52:39,510 --> 01:52:37,420
finish the point and I and thank you for

2698
01:52:42,750 --> 01:52:39,520
putting me on track up to you and Ronald

2699
01:52:44,220 --> 01:52:42,760
um the bottom line is that with all

2700
01:52:47,430 --> 01:52:44,230
these templates like I'm talking about

2701
01:52:49,230 --> 01:52:47,440
for life here on this planet you have to

2702
01:52:52,410 --> 01:52:49,240
look at it as this has happened

2703
01:52:53,700 --> 01:52:52,420
elsewhere therefore when you look at the

2704
01:52:54,150 --> 01:52:53,710
number of exoplanets that have been

2705
01:52:56,250 --> 01:52:54,160
found

2706
01:52:58,440 --> 01:52:56,260
alright just in that little tiny fist

2707
01:53:00,330 --> 01:52:58,450
sized area of space over your head on a

2708
01:53:02,520 --> 01:53:00,340
summer night okay in the constellation

2709
01:53:05,370 --> 01:53:02,530
Cygnus how many of those sized areas are

2710
01:53:08,250 --> 01:53:05,380
all around the universe that we see many

2711
01:53:10,830 --> 01:53:08,260
many millions of those overall and we

2712
01:53:12,210 --> 01:53:10,840
have a lot of planets in fact we think

2713
01:53:15,420 --> 01:53:12,220
there's more planets than there are

2714
01:53:18,420 --> 01:53:15,430
stars in the universe and now that means

2715
01:53:20,340 --> 01:53:18,430
that you have a possibility that were

2716
01:53:22,710 --> 01:53:20,350
the templates that we see that have been

2717
01:53:24,510 --> 01:53:22,720
exploited here on earth for life that

2718
01:53:26,670 --> 01:53:24,520
most likely those templates have also

2719
01:53:29,400 --> 01:53:26,680
been exploited elsewhere because the

2720
01:53:31,050 --> 01:53:29,410
universe is the same wherever we go

2721
01:53:33,270 --> 01:53:31,060
there's little differences here and

2722
01:53:35,400 --> 01:53:33,280
there but the chemistry the periodic

2723
01:53:37,980 --> 01:53:35,410
table the elements this is something

2724
01:53:40,710 --> 01:53:37,990
that was all generated by the Stars and

2725
01:53:42,450 --> 01:53:40,720
by other processes in the universe way

2726
01:53:47,010 --> 01:53:42,460
from very beginning and ongoing to this

2727
01:53:49,800 --> 01:53:47,020
day so life in my view is probably the

2728
01:53:53,490 --> 01:53:49,810
rule not the exception in this

2729
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:53,500
particular universe thank you hey Ronald

2730
01:53:57,750 --> 01:53:56,290
thanks for uh thanks for the call yeah

2731
01:54:01,290 --> 01:53:57,760
thank you very much and have a great

2732
01:54:03,440 --> 01:54:01,300
night all right all right so we're

2733
01:54:08,850 --> 01:54:03,450
getting right near at the end mark so

2734
01:54:11,400 --> 01:54:08,860
and just just if you would remind the

2735
01:54:12,960 --> 01:54:11,410
live listener at this point or the

2736
01:54:14,910 --> 01:54:12,970
person watching on YouTube where they

2737
01:54:18,240 --> 01:54:14,920
can check out your show in about a

2738
01:54:20,130 --> 01:54:18,250
half-hour from now well on Sunday nights

2739
01:54:24,090 --> 01:54:20,140
have the kgr a radio show it's called

2740
01:54:26,400 --> 01:54:24,100
sky tour radio sky tour one word and on

2741
01:54:30,590 --> 01:54:26,410
clear nights like tonight it's a

2742
01:54:33,000 --> 01:54:30,600
beautifully clear night we have a little

2743
01:54:34,710 --> 01:54:33,010
well it's basically our live stream that

2744
01:54:36,870 --> 01:54:34,720
we do it's called the sky tour live

2745
01:54:40,410 --> 01:54:36,880
stream and we take a tour of the deep

2746
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:40,420
sky objects in space and we show them we

2747
01:54:43,170 --> 01:54:42,010
talk about them and some of the

2748
01:54:45,150 --> 01:54:43,180
information like I'm talking about here

2749
01:54:47,340 --> 01:54:45,160
tonight we kind of go through it that

2750
01:54:49,130 --> 01:54:47,350
way in sky through livestream and we

2751
01:54:51,270 --> 01:54:49,140
take questions from the chat and

2752
01:54:54,510 --> 01:54:51,280
sometimes have guests come on with us as

2753
01:54:56,940 --> 01:54:54,520
well so we're gonna spend some time

2754
01:54:58,770 --> 01:54:56,950
tonight after this broadcast doing that

2755
01:55:00,690 --> 01:54:58,780
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2756
01:55:03,060 --> 01:55:00,700
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2757
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2758
01:55:07,890 --> 01:55:05,530
the weather you know but we're trying

2759
01:55:10,170 --> 01:55:07,900
out our new full remote operation

2760
01:55:11,850 --> 01:55:10,180
tonight and there's a few little quirks

2761
01:55:14,460 --> 01:55:11,860
that I've noticed already but you know

2762
01:55:15,900 --> 01:55:14,470
I'll get past them but you know come

2763
01:55:17,220 --> 01:55:15,910
along and either watch the dismal

2764
01:55:19,170 --> 01:55:17,230
failure or the tremendous success

2765
01:55:22,200 --> 01:55:19,180
excellent mark so we're totally out of

2766
01:55:23,670 --> 01:55:22,210
time thanks so much and we'll talk to

2767
01:55:25,530 --> 01:55:23,680
you soon mark you take care and have fun

2768
01:55:27,420 --> 01:55:25,540
tonight thank you bye bye

2769
01:55:29,460 --> 01:55:27,430
alright bye bye alright everyone so

2770
01:55:30,570 --> 01:55:29,470
that's it for our show thanks so much I

2771
01:55:32,340 --> 01:55:30,580
want to thank people that helped out

2772
01:55:35,550 --> 01:55:32,350
with the show we have Evan that helps

2773
01:55:38,070 --> 01:55:35,560
out during the show we have Keith and we

2774
01:55:40,620 --> 01:55:38,080
have over at the dark meadow digital

2775
01:55:44,450 --> 01:55:40,630
network we have Eric who is now helping

2776
01:55:46,710 --> 01:55:44,460
us out at kgr a radio thanks to you and

2777
01:55:49,590 --> 01:55:46,720
thanks mostly to you the listener

2778
01:55:51,600 --> 01:55:49,600
without you I beat anything at all

2779
01:55:53,790 --> 01:55:51,610
wouldn't even be here so thanks and

2780
01:55:56,670 --> 01:55:53,800
remember next week we have Professor

2781
01:55:59,040 --> 01:55:56,680
Greg elegant I don't know exactly how

2782
01:56:00,630 --> 01:55:59,050
he's got an unusual last name and I will

2783
01:56:02,790 --> 01:56:00,640
get that pronunciation down thanks so